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Telling users to disable updates it's not a good recommendation.

Spooky23 8y ago
Sure it is. Microsoft software deployment on client is a dumpster fire. Blindly installing Windows updates these days is very dangerous and should be avoided. Your best approach for avoiding malware is to use browsers like Firefox and Chrome. Critical task workflows should be in LTSB, iOS or ChromeOS. Microsoft’s guidance is to have around four deployment rings each for Windows and Office, and only immediately patch 10-20% of your enterprise environment and defer to avoid impacts from the quality issues that are very common as Microsoft is supporting like a half dozen Windows 10s. See: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/waas-deployment-rings-windows-10-updates https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/w...
- wtallis 8y ago
  Yep. All of the Windows machines that I actually rely on for work—the ones that I need to be able to start up and immediately use, and need to be able to trust them to keep running without interruption or regression—are completely firewalled off from the public internet, so that they are secure both from malware, and unwanted updates. The rest of my work is done on other, more obedient operating systems. Windows 95 was capable of 49.7 days of uptime. That's pretty difficult on client versions of Windows 10 unless you take extraordinary measures.
  - Spooky23 8y ago
    My beef is that Microsoft created an update always culture (a good thing), but they are now “extending” the practice in ways that don’t reflect a customers best interest. The future, which is subscription models with limited time away from activation servers, breaks your needs fundamentally.
    - brokenmachine 8y ago
      >The future, which is subscription models with limited time away from activation servers My future is not an OS that spies on its users. I hope I'm not in the minority.
- ragequitta 8y ago
  Very much disagree. If you pay attention at all to security you'll always hear stories of that one client who hasn't done security updates in 3 months (or 3 days) and gets taken out by the inevitable "exploit Wednesday" shenanigans. On top of that if you're in an enterprise environment when you update you've already had months of home users beta testing the stuff (if you've chosen the semi-annual channel), haven't you? From my experience as someone who has had 0 problems since beta (that weren't caused by me doing something stupid like uninstalling Windows Store) people mess with windows, usually by running a script or 2 because "omg Microsoft is spying on me!111!" then the update comes and throws them an error or 2. Choose any other OS. Any OS at all that is sufficiently complicated as to compete with Windows (maybe as a starting point anything a tiny bit more complicated than ChromeOS). Then name a problem that's happened with Windows 10. I'll show something similar if not worse happening on the other OS you've chosen. The problem, IMO, isn't the OS. It's the freedom the OS allows and the billions of different configurations you'll find out there. Of course any 1 update isn't going to account for all of that. Hell Apple can't even do it on iphones/imacs and they have a very tiny number of SKUs to deal with.
  - BurnGpuBurn 8y ago
    > someone who has had 0 problems since beta Well, you really must be the only one then. Or perhaps the rebooting every other week for updates, sending around privacy sensitive telemetry information to the entire world and having Cortana use the most CPU cycles of all the apps installed is not a problem for you. Some people just accept whatever buggy stuff is thrown over the fence, and that's fine, but don't say there's nothing wrong with it.
    - ragequitta 8y ago
      I use O&O shutup 10 to shut down cortana, telemetry, and other minor annoyances (mostly because I like video games). Maybe that's why it's been so smooth? And rebooting every other week? You mean on a very regular and predictable monthly schedule that was around for years prior to Windows 10's release? Not really a problem in my eyes. On my personal computer I shut it down nightly because it takes roughly 5 seconds to boot a computer these days. I can't even remember the last time I was aware an update happened. The one problem I DID have that I was about to hate on Microsoft for was a flashing taskbar. Turns out it was entirely my fault for using a 3rd party junk program.
CamperBob2 8y ago
Neither was turning a security update service into a marketing channel. But Microsoft did it anyway.
brokenmachine 8y ago
How about, "don't use an OS that spies on you"? Is that a good recommendation?

Sure it is. Microsoft software deployment on client is a dumpster fire. Blindly installing Windows updates these days is very dangerous and should be avoided. Your best approach for avoiding malware is to use browsers like Firefox and Chrome. Critical task workflows should be in LTSB, iOS or ChromeOS. Microsoft’s guidance is to have around four deployment rings each for Windows and Office, and only immediately patch 10-20% of your enterprise environment and defer to avoid impacts from the quality issues that are very common as Microsoft is supporting like a half dozen Windows 10s. See: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/waas-deployment-rings-windows-10-updates https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/w...

wtallis 8y ago
Yep. All of the Windows machines that I actually rely on for work—the ones that I need to be able to start up and immediately use, and need to be able to trust them to keep running without interruption or regression—are completely firewalled off from the public internet, so that they are secure both from malware, and unwanted updates. The rest of my work is done on other, more obedient operating systems. Windows 95 was capable of 49.7 days of uptime. That's pretty difficult on client versions of Windows 10 unless you take extraordinary measures.
- Spooky23 8y ago
  My beef is that Microsoft created an update always culture (a good thing), but they are now “extending” the practice in ways that don’t reflect a customers best interest. The future, which is subscription models with limited time away from activation servers, breaks your needs fundamentally.
  - brokenmachine 8y ago
    >The future, which is subscription models with limited time away from activation servers My future is not an OS that spies on its users. I hope I'm not in the minority.
ragequitta 8y ago
Very much disagree. If you pay attention at all to security you'll always hear stories of that one client who hasn't done security updates in 3 months (or 3 days) and gets taken out by the inevitable "exploit Wednesday" shenanigans. On top of that if you're in an enterprise environment when you update you've already had months of home users beta testing the stuff (if you've chosen the semi-annual channel), haven't you? From my experience as someone who has had 0 problems since beta (that weren't caused by me doing something stupid like uninstalling Windows Store) people mess with windows, usually by running a script or 2 because "omg Microsoft is spying on me!111!" then the update comes and throws them an error or 2. Choose any other OS. Any OS at all that is sufficiently complicated as to compete with Windows (maybe as a starting point anything a tiny bit more complicated than ChromeOS). Then name a problem that's happened with Windows 10. I'll show something similar if not worse happening on the other OS you've chosen. The problem, IMO, isn't the OS. It's the freedom the OS allows and the billions of different configurations you'll find out there. Of course any 1 update isn't going to account for all of that. Hell Apple can't even do it on iphones/imacs and they have a very tiny number of SKUs to deal with.
- BurnGpuBurn 8y ago
  > someone who has had 0 problems since beta Well, you really must be the only one then. Or perhaps the rebooting every other week for updates, sending around privacy sensitive telemetry information to the entire world and having Cortana use the most CPU cycles of all the apps installed is not a problem for you. Some people just accept whatever buggy stuff is thrown over the fence, and that's fine, but don't say there's nothing wrong with it.
  - ragequitta 8y ago
    I use O&O shutup 10 to shut down cortana, telemetry, and other minor annoyances (mostly because I like video games). Maybe that's why it's been so smooth? And rebooting every other week? You mean on a very regular and predictable monthly schedule that was around for years prior to Windows 10's release? Not really a problem in my eyes. On my personal computer I shut it down nightly because it takes roughly 5 seconds to boot a computer these days. I can't even remember the last time I was aware an update happened. The one problem I DID have that I was about to hate on Microsoft for was a flashing taskbar. Turns out it was entirely my fault for using a 3rd party junk program.

CamperBob2 8y ago

Neither was turning a security update service into a marketing channel. But Microsoft did it anyway.

brokenmachine 8y ago

How about, "don't use an OS that spies on you"? Is that a good recommendation?