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Yeah, BART police is a joke. I don’t remember ever seeing a BART police officer riding a train with me. I rarely see them in stations. Getting in and out withou

Yeah, BART police is a joke. I don’t remember ever seeing a BART police officer riding a train with me. I rarely see them in stations. Getting in and out without paying almost seems easier than paying. SF and Oakland officers never stroll through stations, which is so obviously wrong from a public safety standpoint, yet it seems to be policy. Then again I rarely see SF police officers walking the streets as it is. Yet we just kind of let it happen. Not sure what to do to fix it.

JustSomeNobody 8y ago
Guns. Every citizen should be armed. /s But really people all just need to show up at city council meetings and demand better.
- masonic 8y ago
  city council meetings No city council has any authority over BART or law enforcement on BART. (Technically, any officer who happens to be in BART and witnesses a crime could make an arrest -- sworn officers have statewide jurisdiction.)
rdtsc 8y ago
Wonder how it compares with other systems like these in Europe or say Japan. Do police patrol there. Wonder if there is another way to fix this. Say figure out why does crime even become an option at all. Lack of jobs, opportunities, etc.
- rleigh 8y ago
  The UK has the British Transport Police. They are a branch of the police force dedicated to policing the railways. You won't normally see them on trains, but they have offices in most big stations and if there's trouble then it'll get sorted out on the next stop. Normally you only see the police visibly present when there's a football match or other big event on, and the regular police are also there to deal with the crowds. Seeing trouble is a rarity though. Nowadays most stations have ticket barriers so it reduces the type of person who might dodge the fare. And most people know how to behave.
anigbrowl 8y ago
Weird, because I see them on a regular basis and I've lived here a long time. How often do you actually ride BART?
- thatswrong0 8y ago
  I used to ride it every day for my commute (which was for.. 3 years?). Now it’s only a couple times a week. Maybe it’s just the stations I frequent. Still, compared to a place like NYC, it’s a joke. No wonder delinquents raid entire train cars.
masonic 8y ago
Getting in and out without paying almost seems easier than paying It is. There's lots of surveillance video showing dozens of riders jumping turnstiles per minute.
vondur 8y ago
Fixing it is easy. Arrest and prosecute criminal behavior. California won't do it though. It's only a matter of time till some of the larger tech companies decide that the Bay Area is too far gone and start leaving.
- cylinder 8y ago
  What makes you think the people who make these sorts of decisions are exposed to any of this?
  - xvector 8y ago
    Exactly this. The big tech companies use their own buses. Most of their employees are affluent enough to own a car or Uber for other destinations.
  - vondur 8y ago
    When people stop taking jobs in these areas. Not sure how long that will take. I do remember reading how the American Medical Association canceled their conference in San Francisco due to the homeless issues. https://abc7news.com/medical-association-cancels-san-francisco-convention/3693233/ https://abc7news.com/medical-association-cancels-san-francis...

JustSomeNobody 8y ago

Guns. Every citizen should be armed. /s But really people all just need to show up at city council meetings and demand better.

masonic 8y ago
city council meetings No city council has any authority over BART or law enforcement on BART. (Technically, any officer who happens to be in BART and witnesses a crime could make an arrest -- sworn officers have statewide jurisdiction.)

rdtsc 8y ago

Wonder how it compares with other systems like these in Europe or say Japan. Do police patrol there. Wonder if there is another way to fix this. Say figure out why does crime even become an option at all. Lack of jobs, opportunities, etc.

rleigh 8y ago
The UK has the British Transport Police. They are a branch of the police force dedicated to policing the railways. You won't normally see them on trains, but they have offices in most big stations and if there's trouble then it'll get sorted out on the next stop. Normally you only see the police visibly present when there's a football match or other big event on, and the regular police are also there to deal with the crowds. Seeing trouble is a rarity though. Nowadays most stations have ticket barriers so it reduces the type of person who might dodge the fare. And most people know how to behave.

anigbrowl 8y ago

Weird, because I see them on a regular basis and I've lived here a long time. How often do you actually ride BART?

thatswrong0 8y ago
I used to ride it every day for my commute (which was for.. 3 years?). Now it’s only a couple times a week. Maybe it’s just the stations I frequent. Still, compared to a place like NYC, it’s a joke. No wonder delinquents raid entire train cars.

masonic 8y ago

Getting in and out without paying almost seems easier than paying It is. There's lots of surveillance video showing dozens of riders jumping turnstiles per minute.

vondur 8y ago

Fixing it is easy. Arrest and prosecute criminal behavior. California won't do it though. It's only a matter of time till some of the larger tech companies decide that the Bay Area is too far gone and start leaving.

cylinder 8y ago
What makes you think the people who make these sorts of decisions are exposed to any of this?
- xvector 8y ago
  Exactly this. The big tech companies use their own buses. Most of their employees are affluent enough to own a car or Uber for other destinations.
- vondur 8y ago
  When people stop taking jobs in these areas. Not sure how long that will take. I do remember reading how the American Medical Association canceled their conference in San Francisco due to the homeless issues. https://abc7news.com/medical-association-cancels-san-francisco-convention/3693233/ https://abc7news.com/medical-association-cancels-san-francis...