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a couple of weeks ago i heard that people who move to the us lose ~30% of their gut bacteria diversity - here's one paper https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-86

by stefs 8y ago

a couple of weeks ago i heard that people who move to the us lose ~30% of their gut bacteria diversity - here's one paper https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(1831382-5.pdf https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(1831382-5.pdf . most sources claiming a monotonic diet lacking in fibre. could the influence of glyphosat also play a role in this?

bsaul 8y ago
Everything related to food in the US is just a total disaster. From meal habits, to crop to cattle, to sugar, and obesity. This society is in self destruction mode, and the only good side of it is that as a consequence your pharmaceutical industry is a huge economy that’s discovering new drugs that benefits to the rest of the world. I wouldn’t expect this to be a sustainable model for too long though.
- lurquer 8y ago
  >Everything related to food in the US is just a total disaster. The US has the most plentiful and cheapest foods. It supplies its own population with food so cheap the prices have to be supported. And, even with that, there is enormous surplus. And, on top of that, the US is by far the worlds largest exporter of food. As well as the world's largest supplier of free food for relief purposes. In light of that, your comment seems odd.
  - swift532 8y ago
    To me it was quite apparent that he referred to produce quality and quality of ingredients/too much sugar in various products.
  - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
    "We have the most food so our food is the best" sums up the whole problem pretty well, actually.
    - jacobush 8y ago
      You could shorten it to "we have the most corn originated high fructose corn syrup so our food is the best" and it would be pretty much the same. Sorry lurquer. :-/
- tyu1000 8y ago
  The U.S. feeds not only itself but a huge chunk of the world. Agricultural innovations primarily coming from the United States (but also Canada and other industrialized countries) throughout this century and last saved the planet from the Malthusian famines that were widely predicted in the 1970s due to expanding human populations. No doubt there can be lots of improvements in all agricultural sectors around the globe but having too much food is much better than having too little.
  - _Codemonkeyism 8y ago
    "Agricultural innovations primarily coming from the United States [...]" Love this "everything is invented in the US" syndrome. "Justus von Liebig was a German chemist who [...] has been described as the "father of the fertilizer industry" for his emphasis on nitrogen and trace minerals as essential plant nutrients, and his formulation of the law of the minimum, which described how plant growth relied on the scarcest nutrient resource, rather than the total amount of resources available. He also developed a manufacturing process for beef extracts [...]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justus_von_Liebig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justus_von_Liebig
    - Nasrudith 8y ago
      The fact you have to head back to the 19th century isn't a very good refutation. I mean I would be happy to hear of recent unsung international science and innovations.
      - jessaustin 8y ago
        GP was bending over backwards not to mention Fritz Haber, whose work was early 20th C, at least...
      - _Codemonkeyism 8y ago
        I think - as a non-expert - there are two innovations in agriculture with huge impact: Fertilizer and machines, with a myriad of smaller innovations. So I do think "father of the fertilizer industry" is therefor a good point, but ymmv.

by stefs 8y ago

bsaul 8y ago

Everything related to food in the US is just a total disaster. From meal habits, to crop to cattle, to sugar, and obesity. This society is in self destruction mode, and the only good side of it is that as a consequence your pharmaceutical industry is a huge economy that’s discovering new drugs that benefits to the rest of the world. I wouldn’t expect this to be a sustainable model for too long though.

lurquer 8y ago
>Everything related to food in the US is just a total disaster. The US has the most plentiful and cheapest foods. It supplies its own population with food so cheap the prices have to be supported. And, even with that, there is enormous surplus. And, on top of that, the US is by far the worlds largest exporter of food. As well as the world's largest supplier of free food for relief purposes. In light of that, your comment seems odd.
- swift532 8y ago
  To me it was quite apparent that he referred to produce quality and quality of ingredients/too much sugar in various products.
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
  "We have the most food so our food is the best" sums up the whole problem pretty well, actually.
  - jacobush 8y ago
    You could shorten it to "we have the most corn originated high fructose corn syrup so our food is the best" and it would be pretty much the same. Sorry lurquer. :-/
tyu1000 8y ago
The U.S. feeds not only itself but a huge chunk of the world. Agricultural innovations primarily coming from the United States (but also Canada and other industrialized countries) throughout this century and last saved the planet from the Malthusian famines that were widely predicted in the 1970s due to expanding human populations. No doubt there can be lots of improvements in all agricultural sectors around the globe but having too much food is much better than having too little.
- _Codemonkeyism 8y ago
  "Agricultural innovations primarily coming from the United States [...]" Love this "everything is invented in the US" syndrome. "Justus von Liebig was a German chemist who [...] has been described as the "father of the fertilizer industry" for his emphasis on nitrogen and trace minerals as essential plant nutrients, and his formulation of the law of the minimum, which described how plant growth relied on the scarcest nutrient resource, rather than the total amount of resources available. He also developed a manufacturing process for beef extracts [...]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justus_von_Liebig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justus_von_Liebig
  - Nasrudith 8y ago
    The fact you have to head back to the 19th century isn't a very good refutation. I mean I would be happy to hear of recent unsung international science and innovations.
    - jessaustin 8y ago
      GP was bending over backwards not to mention Fritz Haber, whose work was early 20th C, at least...
    - _Codemonkeyism 8y ago
      I think - as a non-expert - there are two innovations in agriculture with huge impact: Fertilizer and machines, with a myriad of smaller innovations. So I do think "father of the fertilizer industry" is therefor a good point, but ymmv.