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The article explains why. Facebook is a genuinely evil company with genuinely evil people doing genuinely evil things to manipulate the world in negative ways,

The article explains why. Facebook is a genuinely evil company with genuinely evil people doing genuinely evil things to manipulate the world in negative ways, and I want nothing to do with them. They've been immoral/unethical from the start. They manipulate their users, cause genuine harm to people, the world, and democracy, and should not be rewarded with continued use of their services. Edit: Because people have been downvoting/flagging my comments, I'm no longer allowed to reply to people and continue the discussion.

vjeux 8y ago
I’m not sure that I read the same article. “For me at least, Facebook would have crossed a moral red line if it had, for example, intentionally sold the data of its users to Cambridge Analytica with the full knowledge that company would use the data subversively to influence a democratic election. Likewise, Facebook would have crossed a red line if it had intentionally assisted in the dissemination of hate speech in Myanmar. But the evidence indicates that Facebook did not intend for those things to occur on its platform.”
dymk 8y ago
Those are some mighty incredible claims. Care to defend them with proof?
- waterphone 8y ago
  https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46302140 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46302140 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/03/facebook-role-rohingya-genocide-180313161609822.html https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/03/facebook-role-rohingy... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-cambridge-analytica-explained.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-cambr... https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/30/technology/facebook-tinkers-with-users-emotions-in-news-feed-experiment-stirring-outcry.html https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/30/technology/facebook-tinke... https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/10/what-facebook-did/542502/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/10/what-... Some of these are direct actions by the company. Some are unintended consequences. And this isn't even getting into the personal harm and unhealthy behavior that comes from use of Facebook and similar manipulative social media.
hnuser355 8y ago
I think Facebook is fine for the demographic its designers are/were (educated middle class and above elite). All of its problems seem to me to result from extending its service to the frankly deranged masses of humanity and not fencing them in enough.
jvreagan 8y ago
> They've been immoral/unethical from the start. Yeah, that's what I don't understand about the current outrage at Facebook. IMHO they are far ethically better today than they were say 6-10 years ago. I just don't understand the outrage today if its ok to do what they did several years ago. I mean, I left Facebook in 2011 due to their ethical issues.

vjeux 8y ago

I’m not sure that I read the same article. “For me at least, Facebook would have crossed a moral red line if it had, for example, intentionally sold the data of its users to Cambridge Analytica with the full knowledge that company would use the data subversively to influence a democratic election. Likewise, Facebook would have crossed a red line if it had intentionally assisted in the dissemination of hate speech in Myanmar. But the evidence indicates that Facebook did not intend for those things to occur on its platform.”

dymk 8y ago

Those are some mighty incredible claims. Care to defend them with proof?

waterphone 8y ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46302140 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-46302140 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/03/facebook-role-rohingya-genocide-180313161609822.html https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/03/facebook-role-rohingy... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-cambridge-analytica-explained.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-cambr... https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/30/technology/facebook-tinkers-with-users-emotions-in-news-feed-experiment-stirring-outcry.html https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/30/technology/facebook-tinke... https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/10/what-facebook-did/542502/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/10/what-... Some of these are direct actions by the company. Some are unintended consequences. And this isn't even getting into the personal harm and unhealthy behavior that comes from use of Facebook and similar manipulative social media.

hnuser355 8y ago

I think Facebook is fine for the demographic its designers are/were (educated middle class and above elite). All of its problems seem to me to result from extending its service to the frankly deranged masses of humanity and not fencing them in enough.

jvreagan 8y ago

> They've been immoral/unethical from the start. Yeah, that's what I don't understand about the current outrage at Facebook. IMHO they are far ethically better today than they were say 6-10 years ago. I just don't understand the outrage today if its ok to do what they did several years ago. I mean, I left Facebook in 2011 due to their ethical issues.