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I don't know. Maybe lawn care professionals know more about the best tools for lawn care than us hipster bloggers, engineer coders and Atlantic Media editors.

by reddog 8y ago

I don't know. Maybe lawn care professionals know more about the best tools for lawn care than us hipster bloggers, engineer coders and Atlantic Media editors. Maybe people who have never pushed a broom or a mower for a living or, in fact, done a single day of manual labor in their lives should be a bit more circumspect in their advice to those that have. There are a lot of good discussions on HN but this one is so clueless, condescending and elitist it leaves me cold. Its like running across a thread in a lawn care forum complaining that programers are lazy and stupid for using an IDE and decreeing all coding henceforth should be done only with vi, make and in assembly.

scotty79 8y ago
Maybe there should be a way to place the environmental cost of "lawn care professionals" activities on them so they can decide better if they want to use rakes or pay the neighbourhood to use leaf blowers for the suffering ans pollution they cause.
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flanban 8y ago
Lawncare workers: it's the best way to do the job, therefore that's how we do the job. Me: your job is dumb.
colanderman 8y ago
I don't think most "lawn care professionals" care whether they use a rake or a blower, because they get paid hourly, and their wage floor is set by other economic factors. They use a blower because the company employing them tells them to, so they can charge less and make a higher margin by being able to cram into each day more visits to lawns whose owners are sufficiently inconsiderate or powerless to accept externalizing the noisy consequences of this cost-saving measure onto their neighbors' eardrums. The IDE analogy is a bad one, as the consequences of using an IDE are not visible to the consumer. A better analogy would be, people in a lawn care forum complaining about pop-over ads on lawn-care websites, 300 MB app installs to browse lawn-care store catalogues, and lawn-care online storefronts that double-charge purchases because they had the temerity to click the "back" button. And they'd be well within their right to complain about the negative externalities they must suffer as a consequence of rushed software development owing to mismanaged "agile" timeboxing and dark UI patterns designed by paperclip-maximizing sales teams.

by reddog 8y ago

scotty79 8y ago

Maybe there should be a way to place the environmental cost of "lawn care professionals" activities on them so they can decide better if they want to use rakes or pay the neighbourhood to use leaf blowers for the suffering ans pollution they cause.

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flanban 8y ago

Lawncare workers: it's the best way to do the job, therefore that's how we do the job. Me: your job is dumb.

colanderman 8y ago

I don't think most "lawn care professionals" care whether they use a rake or a blower, because they get paid hourly, and their wage floor is set by other economic factors. They use a blower because the company employing them tells them to, so they can charge less and make a higher margin by being able to cram into each day more visits to lawns whose owners are sufficiently inconsiderate or powerless to accept externalizing the noisy consequences of this cost-saving measure onto their neighbors' eardrums. The IDE analogy is a bad one, as the consequences of using an IDE are not visible to the consumer. A better analogy would be, people in a lawn care forum complaining about pop-over ads on lawn-care websites, 300 MB app installs to browse lawn-care store catalogues, and lawn-care online storefronts that double-charge purchases because they had the temerity to click the "back" button. And they'd be well within their right to complain about the negative externalities they must suffer as a consequence of rushed software development owing to mismanaged "agile" timeboxing and dark UI patterns designed by paperclip-maximizing sales teams.