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I get it. You, like too many, think genitals are 'junk'. I am not ashamed of my body. I value my body and want to share it only with those I choose, not indiscr

by jambo 16y ago

I get it. You, like too many, think genitals are 'junk'. I am not ashamed of my body. I value my body and want to share it only with those I choose, not indiscriminately, and certainly not as a condition for flying. Forced or coerced nudity has been used as a weapon because it represents a one-way power transfer.

sz 16y ago
Even accepting genitalia as a sacred artifact, I have to raise an eyebrow at your definition of 'sharing'. I regularly have the testicles of my neighbor's dog in my view but I wouldn't say that he's sharing his body with me. Furthermore I fail to see exactly what concrete harm is being done that justifies your calling body scanners a weapon.
- jambo 16y ago
  Would you be okay with strip searches as a requirement for flying, and if not, is it only the time and inconvenience that would bother you, or something else?
  - sz 16y ago
    The inconvenience of having to undress would annoy me, as do having to take off my shoes and put my luggage through a machine. I would only be annoyed for reasons other than inconvenience if the contact is unprofessional. Assuming that it's not, and everyone else is doing the same, I wouldn't feel like I was being violated. My basic point is that the liberty being infringed upon by these scanners (i.e. liberty to hide your genitals from people) is frivolous. So I'm asking for other reasons that these should be disallowed. This seems to be a very unpopular point of view for some reason.
    - koenigdavidmj 16y ago
      Now what if they were asking the same of your daughter?
      - sz 16y ago
        In the case of strip searches, if she's young I would object because I don't want her growing up thinking strangers touching her naked is acceptable in general. I would require some level of maturity first to be able to understand the moral difference between a strip search performed by a TSA officer on duty and one performed by her 4th grade teacher. In the case of scanners, under the same assumption of completely professional conduct, I see no problem. She would probably be more emotionally scarred by a visit to the doctor. Kids generally don't have any problem running around naked. It's the adults that feel self-conscious.
    - primatage 16y ago
      You've very obviously never been strip-searched.
younata 16y ago
"Junk: Penis and testacles." [sic] [1] [1] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=junk http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=junk (NSFW) (definition 2)
- jambo 16y ago
  My point.

by jambo 16y ago

sz 16y ago

Even accepting genitalia as a sacred artifact, I have to raise an eyebrow at your definition of 'sharing'. I regularly have the testicles of my neighbor's dog in my view but I wouldn't say that he's sharing his body with me. Furthermore I fail to see exactly what concrete harm is being done that justifies your calling body scanners a weapon.

jambo 16y ago
Would you be okay with strip searches as a requirement for flying, and if not, is it only the time and inconvenience that would bother you, or something else?
- sz 16y ago
  The inconvenience of having to undress would annoy me, as do having to take off my shoes and put my luggage through a machine. I would only be annoyed for reasons other than inconvenience if the contact is unprofessional. Assuming that it's not, and everyone else is doing the same, I wouldn't feel like I was being violated. My basic point is that the liberty being infringed upon by these scanners (i.e. liberty to hide your genitals from people) is frivolous. So I'm asking for other reasons that these should be disallowed. This seems to be a very unpopular point of view for some reason.
  - koenigdavidmj 16y ago
    Now what if they were asking the same of your daughter?
    - sz 16y ago
      In the case of strip searches, if she's young I would object because I don't want her growing up thinking strangers touching her naked is acceptable in general. I would require some level of maturity first to be able to understand the moral difference between a strip search performed by a TSA officer on duty and one performed by her 4th grade teacher. In the case of scanners, under the same assumption of completely professional conduct, I see no problem. She would probably be more emotionally scarred by a visit to the doctor. Kids generally don't have any problem running around naked. It's the adults that feel self-conscious.
  - primatage 16y ago
    You've very obviously never been strip-searched.

younata 16y ago

"Junk: Penis and testacles." [sic] [1] [1] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=junk http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=junk (NSFW) (definition 2)

jambo 16y ago
My point.