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> "Do your own homework." Sorry, but both claims I followed to original research articles in this thread did not contain the supposed info. I gave you guys ano

by nonbel 8y ago

> "Do your own homework." Sorry, but both claims I followed to original research articles in this thread did not contain the supposed info. I gave you guys another chance to convince someone, even giving explicit instructions and an example of the format, and instead I walk away thinking the people concerned about this don't actually know what they are talking about. First, was that if things continue apace large areas will be unlivable -- The primary source said if temperatures rose an additional 7 degrees C, which is twice the rise expected by the IPCC, something like that may happen. Second, was that 99.99% of scientists say that we're screwed. -- Instead it was the percent of papers with global warming in the title/abstract that didnt include a claim like "global warming is BS" in the title/abstract, or something. Either way it had to do with the existence of warming, not the consequences. That's why I have the rule. To prevent from wasting each others time it is best to quote the exact line or figure you think is relevant. And if you look through my post history you can see I do indeed treat others how I would like to be treated when it comes to these types of topics.

DennisP 8y ago
IPCC's business-as-usual scenario presents a range. You were correct that 4C is about the median but 6.4C is the upper end: https://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/spmsspm-projections-of.html https://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/spmsspm... That's by the end of the century, not the highest it will ever go. And honestly, I hope you're not going to base your views on what links a couple jokers on HN have handy. Read books with real references or by actual scientists. We can't provide a couple web articles that will be sufficient to convince you, if that's not what convinced us.
- nonbel 8y ago
  > "6.4C is the upper end" Upper end is going to be defined arbitrarily, but either way its still less than the 7 degrees and 11-12 degrees considered in the primary source. > "Read books with real references or by actual scientists" Books are going to be secondary sources, no one really puts primary research into them and hasn't for about a century. The primary research is almost all available online.
  - DennisP 8y ago
    Yes but books sum up a large amount of research and give you references to it. That's a way better start than cherrypicking a few studies online.
    - nonbel 8y ago
      Why would there be any cherry picking? There are a number of people in this thread (and also many downvoters) who apparently believe very strongly about this stuff. Why can't they point me to the exact evidence that convinced them? And while you are one of the better ones "the references are somewhere in this one book" is not very helpful. People are busy, you need to make it as easy as possible for them if you actually care about convincing them.

by nonbel 8y ago

DennisP 8y ago

IPCC's business-as-usual scenario presents a range. You were correct that 4C is about the median but 6.4C is the upper end: https://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/spmsspm-projections-of.html https://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/spmsspm... That's by the end of the century, not the highest it will ever go. And honestly, I hope you're not going to base your views on what links a couple jokers on HN have handy. Read books with real references or by actual scientists. We can't provide a couple web articles that will be sufficient to convince you, if that's not what convinced us.

nonbel 8y ago
> "6.4C is the upper end" Upper end is going to be defined arbitrarily, but either way its still less than the 7 degrees and 11-12 degrees considered in the primary source. > "Read books with real references or by actual scientists" Books are going to be secondary sources, no one really puts primary research into them and hasn't for about a century. The primary research is almost all available online.
- DennisP 8y ago
  Yes but books sum up a large amount of research and give you references to it. That's a way better start than cherrypicking a few studies online.
  - nonbel 8y ago
    Why would there be any cherry picking? There are a number of people in this thread (and also many downvoters) who apparently believe very strongly about this stuff. Why can't they point me to the exact evidence that convinced them? And while you are one of the better ones "the references are somewhere in this one book" is not very helpful. People are busy, you need to make it as easy as possible for them if you actually care about convincing them.