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> I'm not sure where you are getting this from. Not GP, but the prozac shrimp story probably didn't help the reputation of psychiatry in the United States at l

> I'm not sure where you are getting this from. Not GP, but the prozac shrimp story probably didn't help the reputation of psychiatry in the United States at least. And to clarify: I do mean "reputation" - I don't know if it actually says anything about the state of medication - could very well be sanitation.

Nasrudith 8y ago
That is completely and utterly peripheral to if the medication works for humans. It is a sanitation and environmental issue period until someone can come up with an alternative that can be absorbed fully or pass into a degraded non-effective state which is a tall order given that even penicillin couldn't. That is also an issue for birth control medication but it is accepted as generally 'environmentally worth it' compared to the costs of increased r-strategy population growth. Although there are certain parties interested in badmouthing psychiatry at every turn out of dogma and self interest - from the obvious of Scientology and their means of control to the fundamentalist and homophobe contingent angry over their role in destigmatization and having to look for new targets. They're pissed off that gay marriage is widely accepted - saying someone was for gay marriage in the 80's doesn't make them look wacko fringe like it did then but visionary from how utterly vindicated they were. They are angry that science "didn't stay in its lane". And psychiatry is science. Even in its bad old days of abuse of electroshock and lobotomies considered a valid treatment and despite qualitative aspects keeping it from hard equations and laws the fact that they let the evidence speak and draw the conclusions - 'no society is clearly wrong here - homosexuality is not a mental illness' is profoundly science in a 'and yet it moves' way. So the next target for their otherphobic garbage of strawmen that I sadly am not making up is that psychiatrists and liberal parents want to reassign gender and provide hormone treatments and surgical treatments at will and everyone trans is a bathroom sexual predator. Meanwhile back in the /bad old days/ of the past when gay-bashing was relatively accepted a trans Bond girl was treated as mere trivia with perhaps a few tasteless jokes that were still better than the horrific 80's AIDS 'jokes' instead of a 'franchise ruined forever' reaction. This wasn't meant as snapping at you but at a clear frustrating trend that I have noticed.
- camtarn 8y ago
  Hm. According to her, Caroline Cossey (the Bond girl) was more or less hounded into giving up her modelling, TV and acting career due to the backlash. Not sure it's as simple as mere trivia. https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/transgender-bond-girl-caroline-cossey-9292969 https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/transgender-bond...
  - Nasrudith 8y ago
    Huh I didn't know that - just that it wasn't of concern. I guess it might have been a case of tolerance bubble striking.

Nasrudith 8y ago

That is completely and utterly peripheral to if the medication works for humans. It is a sanitation and environmental issue period until someone can come up with an alternative that can be absorbed fully or pass into a degraded non-effective state which is a tall order given that even penicillin couldn't. That is also an issue for birth control medication but it is accepted as generally 'environmentally worth it' compared to the costs of increased r-strategy population growth. Although there are certain parties interested in badmouthing psychiatry at every turn out of dogma and self interest - from the obvious of Scientology and their means of control to the fundamentalist and homophobe contingent angry over their role in destigmatization and having to look for new targets. They're pissed off that gay marriage is widely accepted - saying someone was for gay marriage in the 80's doesn't make them look wacko fringe like it did then but visionary from how utterly vindicated they were. They are angry that science "didn't stay in its lane". And psychiatry is science. Even in its bad old days of abuse of electroshock and lobotomies considered a valid treatment and despite qualitative aspects keeping it from hard equations and laws the fact that they let the evidence speak and draw the conclusions - 'no society is clearly wrong here - homosexuality is not a mental illness' is profoundly science in a 'and yet it moves' way. So the next target for their otherphobic garbage of strawmen that I sadly am not making up is that psychiatrists and liberal parents want to reassign gender and provide hormone treatments and surgical treatments at will and everyone trans is a bathroom sexual predator. Meanwhile back in the /bad old days/ of the past when gay-bashing was relatively accepted a trans Bond girl was treated as mere trivia with perhaps a few tasteless jokes that were still better than the horrific 80's AIDS 'jokes' instead of a 'franchise ruined forever' reaction. This wasn't meant as snapping at you but at a clear frustrating trend that I have noticed.

camtarn 8y ago
Hm. According to her, Caroline Cossey (the Bond girl) was more or less hounded into giving up her modelling, TV and acting career due to the backlash. Not sure it's as simple as mere trivia. https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/transgender-bond-girl-caroline-cossey-9292969 https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/transgender-bond...
- Nasrudith 8y ago
  Huh I didn't know that - just that it wasn't of concern. I guess it might have been a case of tolerance bubble striking.