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The first link doesnt even contain a proper link/reference to their primary source (unless I missed it). The second (at least the annotated version) does conta
by nonbel 8y ago
The first link doesnt even contain a proper link/reference to their primary source (unless I missed it).
The second (at least the annotated version) does contain some good links, eg to the IPCC AR5 homepage. The AR5 is a thousand pages long document... and this page itself is also quite long (nothing wrong with that, but you should quote the section of interest).
But lets look at the second source a bit closer. Their first cited claim is:
"Indeed, absent a significant adjustment to how billions of humans conduct their lives, parts of the Earth will likely become close to uninhabitable, and other parts horrifically inhospitable, as soon as the end of this century."
If you hover over that they say the IPCC says a median (median meaning ~ 50-50 odds higher or lower) warming of ~4 C by the end of the century, yet that paper talks about at least 7 C of warming. So this first claim is simply not supported by the citations and I didnt bother going on.
- DennisP 8y agoIt wasn't me who made the claim. It's what I found with a 30-second google. Here's another with links to two primary sources. https://www.cyi.ac.cy/index.php/in-focus/climate-exodus-expected-in-the-middle-east-and-north-africa.html https://www.cyi.ac.cy/index.php/in-focus/climate-exodus-expe... There's plenty more. To really dive in, go with Six Degrees.
- nonbel 8y agoSorry, it is even clear which claim you are referring to at this point. Also, if you believe something so strongly why do you not have a go-to source for the information that lead to that belief? Why, exactly do I believe this is an important question to ask yourself (about everything)? It is just something unimaginable to me to not really know why I thought civilization is going to collapse and resort to 30 second googlings. I guess in the end it is that book 6 degrees for you. If so, ok. I will check it out.
- DennisP 8y agoThat book, Hansen's, and a stack of others. I resort to googlings because most people online appreciate something they can read immediately. But I don't think civilization is going to collapse. I think it is at high risk of collapsing if we don't take strong preventive measures.