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I lived on a kibbutz after college. It has its own set of problems. The closer you live to people, the more politics enters the picture. The less money there is
by solatic 8y ago
I lived on a kibbutz after college. It has its own set of problems. The closer you live to people, the more politics enters the picture. The less money there is to go around, the more that politics revolves around the relatively financially trivial. You can't force people to like each other just because they live in close proximity.
The problem isn't finding people with shared interests and values, it's in building real-world (not Internet-based) communities around them.
- npunt 8y agoThe kibbutz (or kibbutz inspired) idea my friends and I have discussed is more about finding people you like and then forming it. I can definitely see it having downsides if you’re not actively involved in its formation.
- doitLP 8y agoThat’s great, but then you’ll start backsliding on the “diversity and inclusion” scale. I think it’s a constant trade off. As individuals with preferences, humans can’t help but form in groups and out groups.
- fjsolwmv 8y agoMaking everyone miserable is not the kind of diversity and inclusion we want. It's only acceptable in the sense of "if I'm a miserable out group, the happy in group don't deserve to be happy", which is maybe fairness but not a good goal state. D&I means forming good relations across boundaries, not arbitrary relations.
- rdl 8y agoI still have some hope for something like seasteading to do this in the next 10-20 years (before Mars/Luna are viable options). In the interim I'm trying something vaguely like it in PR.
- rubidium 8y agoI live in a Christian community focused on in-common living. Community requires commitment to stick things through. Having a common vision is important. More important is having the commitment to sticking with it, and relationship tools to help keep friendships intact in tough times. Some key tools: -right speech: no gossip, slander, or negative humor -forgiveness: saying I’m sorry when offending or harming someone, and having real forgiveness -making agreements: specific commitments that, when times are tough or good, the group can rally around.
- someguydave 8y agoWhere is your community located?
- fjsolwmv 8y agoAn what happens when someone violates those principles, especially if the violator is the minister or otherwise powerful?
- Lich 8y agoAs he said, forgiveness and reconciliation. Sticking with it. I’m sure there’s limits and it’s often easy to tell when someone is sorry and trying to change versus taking advantage.
- AnimalMuppet 8y agoI second someguydave's comment. More broadly, could you tell us a bit about your community? What principles is it based on? What is the lifestyle there? How is it organized? What do people do there? Is it open to newcomers?
- haloux 8y agoOut of curiosity, is it a community inspired by ‘The Benedict Option’?
- Fricken 8y agoPeople living interdependently in close proximity to one another is characteristic of most people throughout human history. It has never been perfect, but when you throw it out, you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater.