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> liberal on social issues, staunchly conservative on regulation. That's what liberal actually means. To be liberal in both areas it to be a progressive.
by zorga 8y ago
> liberal on social issues, staunchly conservative on regulation.
That's what liberal actually means. To be liberal in both areas it to be a progressive.
- dnautics 8y agoThat use of the word liberal is quite obsolete. You might as well call a libertarian a classical socialist (in the style of Benjamin Tucker).
- zorga 8y ago> That use of the word liberal is quite obsolete. No it isn't, and in the era of social justice warriors, it's relevance is on the rise.
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- FranzFerdiNaN 8y agoThe word libertarian has been wrongfully stolen by capitalist, yes. Same with a term like anarcho-capitalism, which has nothing to do with anarchism, an ideology which is always staunchly anti-capitalist.
- lake99 8y agoYou have it backwards. Liberal economics means fewer regulations, less federal planning, etc. In their more "socialist" phases, China and India had the government in control of a lot of manufacturing, trade, etc. After their economies were liberalized, private companies had a greater say in their own affairs (they got "liberated"). In India, the government started selling off its factories to private owners under a liberal economic regime. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalism
- verbify 8y agoWhile I agree with you in the main, many economic liberals would still support government intervention to stop oligopolies, monopolies or monopsonies. They support free markets and individual choice, not just privatisation or corporatisation for the sake of it.
- scarejunba 8y agoFunnily enough, that person does not have it backwards. It's the _article_ and the terminology it uses from the USA that have it backwards. This is revealed by the fact that the article claims that Silicon Valley's elite are both "staunchly conservative on regulation" and have "anti-regulatory zeal". So you're actually agreeing vigorously with the guy to whom you're responding.
- lake99 8y agoDefinitely not agreeing with GP. Progressives are not economic liberals. But you're right, the article has it backwards too. The phrase "staunchly conservative on regulation" seems to have a special meaning in the US that's not applicable elsewhere. In India and Pakistan, for example, "conservative" just means holding on to traditional religious values.
- zorga 8y ago> Progressives are not economic liberals. They are under the American meaning of the word liberal, you just don't understand what liberal means in America. You are agreeing with me whether you understand it or not. What you mean by liberal, we call conservative or "classical liberal". Liberal here doesn't mean what it means in the rest of the world. > In India and Pakistan, for example, "conservative" just means holding on to traditional religious values. That's not what it means here.
- zorga 8y agoNo, I don't have it backwards; you do, perhaps you don't understand American politics. > Liberal economics means fewer regulations, less federal planning, etc. Not in America, here we call that conservative. In America, liberal economics mean more central planning and government control and more regulations.