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Even if you're pro gun control, it doesn't mean gun control reduces suicides. You'd have to look at the numbers -- are suicide rates lower in places with less a

Even if you're pro gun control, it doesn't mean gun control reduces suicides. You'd have to look at the numbers -- are suicide rates lower in places with less access to guns? Or do people just commit suicide differently? I strongly suspect the latter. Removing means doesn't fix the underlying problems, and it smacks of agenda pushing to suggest otherwise (even if it's a good agenda).

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alangpierce 8y ago
My understanding is that it's generally accepted among people researching these things that means restriction (like gun control) does reduce overall suicide rates, it doesn't just make people pick a different method of suicide. From a quick google search https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22726520 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22726520 > Although some individuals might seek other methods, many do not; when they do, the means chosen are less lethal and are associated with fewer deaths than when more dangerous ones are available.
cortesoft 8y ago
People do look at these sorts of numbers all the time, and most of the evidence points to lower overall suicide rates in places that have stricter gun control. Of course, it is hard to fully control for all the correlations, but the available evidence does point towards fewer guns == fewer suicides. The general explanation is that many suicides are somewhat spur of the moment, and access to an easy way to kill yourself when you have those moments of weakness increases the chance that a person will follow through. People have this sense that suicides are well thought out decisions that people make when they conclude that their life isn't worth living anymore, but that isn't the case most of the time. https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/supplementary/firearm-availability-suicide.html https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/supplement... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-firearms-suicides/strict-state-gun-laws-linked-to-fewer-suicides-and-murders-idUSKBN1GH39W https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-firearms-suicides/...
- nkurz 8y ago
  Thanks for the links. The RAND paper is really good; the Reuters article less so. While your summary seems true, I think a better summary might be "despite many studies, none have found evidence for a full substitution effect". That is, in studies that show a drop in firearm suicides, there is almost always a drop in overall suicide rates as well. The degree to which changing from an existing lax gun control regime to a stricter one results in a lower firearm suicide rate is harder to establish, but in at least some cases for some populations it's probably a positive effect.
pps43 8y ago
There is a relationship between gun control and suicides: http://brady-score.github.io/ http://brady-score.github.io/ Doesn't mean it's causal, maybe there are confounding factors, but the relationship itself does exists. With that said, if people are committing suicides I think it's better to look at why they are committing suicides, and then fix that.

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alangpierce 8y ago

My understanding is that it's generally accepted among people researching these things that means restriction (like gun control) does reduce overall suicide rates, it doesn't just make people pick a different method of suicide. From a quick google search https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22726520 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22726520 > Although some individuals might seek other methods, many do not; when they do, the means chosen are less lethal and are associated with fewer deaths than when more dangerous ones are available.

cortesoft 8y ago

People do look at these sorts of numbers all the time, and most of the evidence points to lower overall suicide rates in places that have stricter gun control. Of course, it is hard to fully control for all the correlations, but the available evidence does point towards fewer guns == fewer suicides. The general explanation is that many suicides are somewhat spur of the moment, and access to an easy way to kill yourself when you have those moments of weakness increases the chance that a person will follow through. People have this sense that suicides are well thought out decisions that people make when they conclude that their life isn't worth living anymore, but that isn't the case most of the time. https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/supplementary/firearm-availability-suicide.html https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/supplement... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-firearms-suicides/strict-state-gun-laws-linked-to-fewer-suicides-and-murders-idUSKBN1GH39W https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-firearms-suicides/...

nkurz 8y ago
Thanks for the links. The RAND paper is really good; the Reuters article less so. While your summary seems true, I think a better summary might be "despite many studies, none have found evidence for a full substitution effect". That is, in studies that show a drop in firearm suicides, there is almost always a drop in overall suicide rates as well. The degree to which changing from an existing lax gun control regime to a stricter one results in a lower firearm suicide rate is harder to establish, but in at least some cases for some populations it's probably a positive effect.

pps43 8y ago

There is a relationship between gun control and suicides: http://brady-score.github.io/ http://brady-score.github.io/ Doesn't mean it's causal, maybe there are confounding factors, but the relationship itself does exists. With that said, if people are committing suicides I think it's better to look at why they are committing suicides, and then fix that.