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Will you be more specific on the moral aspect here? Because from the article, it seems like the individuals working in the warehouse are compensated at a rate t

Will you be more specific on the moral aspect here? Because from the article, it seems like the individuals working in the warehouse are compensated at a rate they agreed to (not being cheated of wages), are safe (no unsafe work practices are revealed here), and are given clear guidelines about their work tasks and standards (not being fired for discriminatory reasons). I don’t want to put words in anyone’s mouth, so I will not make any flippant summaries of your post. I just want to know what Amazon would have to do to become moral: how long should the breaks be? How should they modify their performance policies? Etc.

jniedrauer 8y ago
> it seems like the individuals working in the warehouse are compensated at a rate they agreed to (not being cheated of wages) This argument implies that workers are on equal footing with employers when negotiating for wages. You forget that not all industries are like ours. We've created a world full of pointless cruelty. "How long should the breaks be" is the wrong question to ask. Progress, to me, would look like a lot more workers doing a lot less work, and being compensated at a level which gives them financial security. Unpleasant work takes a toll on people. 8 hours should not be the goal, it should be the maximum.
nikofeyn 8y ago
when people are tired, stressed, and rushed, unsafe situations naturally arise.
johnchristopher 8y ago
18 hours of work is unsafe whatever the job is.
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nerder92 8y ago
> I just want to know what Amazon would have to do to become moral 1. 8h/day max 2. double pay extra work and limit the maximum amount to +3h 3. not 'monitoring' bathroom breaks 4. not fire people on the spot, give them warnings and help them improve 5. don't use metrics as a weapon agains them, instead build programs that help improvements 6. let workers to pack seated as well (to not stay 8h on their feet) 7. hire more occasional workers for very peak days (ie: BF, CM) 8. Not fire for sick leaves nor holidays leaves 9. Not fire for taking holidays during BF This are the first 9 thing that i can come out with. It's interesting for me anyway how many of the things related to Unions and workers rights the are at the center of the debate in the US now, are either illegal or totally unacceptable in EU.

jniedrauer 8y ago

> it seems like the individuals working in the warehouse are compensated at a rate they agreed to (not being cheated of wages) This argument implies that workers are on equal footing with employers when negotiating for wages. You forget that not all industries are like ours. We've created a world full of pointless cruelty. "How long should the breaks be" is the wrong question to ask. Progress, to me, would look like a lot more workers doing a lot less work, and being compensated at a level which gives them financial security. Unpleasant work takes a toll on people. 8 hours should not be the goal, it should be the maximum.

nikofeyn 8y ago

when people are tired, stressed, and rushed, unsafe situations naturally arise.

johnchristopher 8y ago

18 hours of work is unsafe whatever the job is.

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nerder92 8y ago

> I just want to know what Amazon would have to do to become moral 1. 8h/day max 2. double pay extra work and limit the maximum amount to +3h 3. not 'monitoring' bathroom breaks 4. not fire people on the spot, give them warnings and help them improve 5. don't use metrics as a weapon agains them, instead build programs that help improvements 6. let workers to pack seated as well (to not stay 8h on their feet) 7. hire more occasional workers for very peak days (ie: BF, CM) 8. Not fire for sick leaves nor holidays leaves 9. Not fire for taking holidays during BF This are the first 9 thing that i can come out with. It's interesting for me anyway how many of the things related to Unions and workers rights the are at the center of the debate in the US now, are either illegal or totally unacceptable in EU.