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Most children are covered for varicella vaccination through Medicaid or parent's insurance, as well as all the ACIP recommended vaccinations.

by cmurf 8y ago

conanbatt 8y ago
I mean on top of the cost. Just reward people for getting the vaccination. Normally you gotta persuade people or pay them for the inconvenience to get them to do something for you.
- eesmith 8y ago
  People don't work that way. For example, I suspect some will decide to hold out for higher money. http://freakonomics.com/2013/10/23/what-makes-people-do-what-they-do/ http://freakonomics.com/2013/10/23/what-makes-people-do-what... gives a well-known account of how monetary incentives don't always work, in that case with late fees for parents who are tardy picking up their children from day care. > The picture that emerged from this experiment, co-authored with Aldo Rustichini, was that parents had a whole set of non-financial incentives for being on time – incentives that were completely incompatible with money. Like, for example, avoiding the guilt of inconveniencing the day care workers. As soon as parents had the option to pay a small fine and avoid that guilt, they took it en masse.
  - conanbatt 8y ago
    > People don't work that way. For example, I suspect some will decide to hold out for higher money. Which is fine, you dont need 100% vaccination rate to get herd immunity. The value of the last people getting a vax is low. Bear in mind people already pay a price but refusing to get vaccinated in time. Also, i would be very surprised to find that the solution to "hold-outs" would be forcefully doing it to them, in almost any scenario.
    - eesmith 8y ago
      Except you don't know what the vaccination rate would be if you start to to pay people for it. It could get worse. My example was to point out that your statement "Normally you gotta persuade people or pay them for the inconvenience to get them to do something for you." might be true - "normally" - but is certainly not universal.
      - conanbatt 8y ago
        We also dont know what the cost of mandatory vaccinations actually is: you will need to start prosecuting people, potentially putting them in jail if they resist. Im actually shocked at how casually people throw around mandatory and forcefully in the whole vaccine situation.
        eesmith 8y ago
        We do have an idea, because there are countries with mandatory vaccination laws, including France where refusal to vaccinate, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy , may be considered a form of child abuse. My point again is to argue that your statements along the lines "What better way to persuade than to pay for it" is not obviously true. It may also be that mandatory vaccination policies are not a good solution. However, that doesn't make your proposed change any better.
        conanbatt 8y ago
        > We do have an idea, because there are countries with mandatory vaccination laws, including France where refusal to vaccinate, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy , may be considered a form of child abuse. France might be an interesting case: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-00660-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-00660-y. > My point again is to argue that your statements along the lines "What better way to persuade than to pay for it" is not obviously true We'll see when someone tries it.
        8y ago

Most children are covered for varicella vaccination through Medicaid or parent's insurance, as well as all the ACIP recommended vaccinations.

by cmurf 8y ago

Most children are covered for varicella vaccination through Medicaid or parent's insurance, as well as all the ACIP recommended vaccinations.

conanbatt 8y ago

I mean on top of the cost. Just reward people for getting the vaccination. Normally you gotta persuade people or pay them for the inconvenience to get them to do something for you.

eesmith 8y ago
People don't work that way. For example, I suspect some will decide to hold out for higher money. http://freakonomics.com/2013/10/23/what-makes-people-do-what-they-do/ http://freakonomics.com/2013/10/23/what-makes-people-do-what... gives a well-known account of how monetary incentives don't always work, in that case with late fees for parents who are tardy picking up their children from day care. > The picture that emerged from this experiment, co-authored with Aldo Rustichini, was that parents had a whole set of non-financial incentives for being on time – incentives that were completely incompatible with money. Like, for example, avoiding the guilt of inconveniencing the day care workers. As soon as parents had the option to pay a small fine and avoid that guilt, they took it en masse.
- conanbatt 8y ago
  > People don't work that way. For example, I suspect some will decide to hold out for higher money. Which is fine, you dont need 100% vaccination rate to get herd immunity. The value of the last people getting a vax is low. Bear in mind people already pay a price but refusing to get vaccinated in time. Also, i would be very surprised to find that the solution to "hold-outs" would be forcefully doing it to them, in almost any scenario.
  - eesmith 8y ago
    Except you don't know what the vaccination rate would be if you start to to pay people for it. It could get worse. My example was to point out that your statement "Normally you gotta persuade people or pay them for the inconvenience to get them to do something for you." might be true - "normally" - but is certainly not universal.
    - conanbatt 8y ago
      We also dont know what the cost of mandatory vaccinations actually is: you will need to start prosecuting people, potentially putting them in jail if they resist. Im actually shocked at how casually people throw around mandatory and forcefully in the whole vaccine situation.
      - eesmith 8y ago
        We do have an idea, because there are countries with mandatory vaccination laws, including France where refusal to vaccinate, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy , may be considered a form of child abuse. My point again is to argue that your statements along the lines "What better way to persuade than to pay for it" is not obviously true. It may also be that mandatory vaccination policies are not a good solution. However, that doesn't make your proposed change any better.
        conanbatt 8y ago
        > We do have an idea, because there are countries with mandatory vaccination laws, including France where refusal to vaccinate, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccination_policy , may be considered a form of child abuse. France might be an interesting case: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-00660-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-00660-y. > My point again is to argue that your statements along the lines "What better way to persuade than to pay for it" is not obviously true We'll see when someone tries it.
        8y ago