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I think part of the is ambiguity over what the "cloud" is; is hosted exchange/active directory cloud computing? Is hosted Oracle DBs cloud computing? I think an

I think part of the is ambiguity over what the "cloud" is; is hosted exchange/active directory cloud computing? Is hosted Oracle DBs cloud computing? I think analysts are estimating that 18% of commercial cloud revenue is Azure, which, you're right would put it ahead of Google, but what exactly is getting sold under the Azure umbrella? I'm pretty sure their Active Directory stuff gets sold as part of Azure. And while this may be splitting hairs, I think it matters what they're actually selling. If they're moving on-prem customers to SaaS, that doesn't seem like a particularly useful comparison, since we already know MS sells a tonne of proprietary software to enterprise.

partiallypro 8y ago
The answer is, yes hosted Oracle DBs are the "cloud" and yes hosted AD is the "cloud," in so long as they are on a pool of resources. Why wouldn't it be? How is that any different than moving your MEAN, LAMP or whatever stack from bare metal to a cloud provider on a VM? It's not. What makes the "cloud" the "cloud," isn't some serverless, edge, kubernetes fancy whatever. Most people do not use/need that stuff. It's pooled resources and a toolset that allows you to scale, provision, monitor, etc in a simple way with no human interaction. That's it. Everything else is nuance. I think the ambiguity that people are so inclined to over engineer that they can't possibly imagine something so simple as a vanilla VM with a SQL SaaS hooked to it as "the cloud" because it's not complex enough.
- NotSammyHagar 8y ago
  Adding probably legacy businesses into the growing 'new cloud' revenue totals looks like they have more than they say, that's why they do it. Amazon cloud only started with aws, they don't have 30 year workloads from ancient companies moved to a cloud. It matters because you are hiding the new part from the legacy part, legacy is probably shrinking in general. It makes microsoft look much larger. you can argue that running active directory in a cloud vm is still in the cloud - yes, but that's not the same kind of growth because that entire old windows market is static at best.

partiallypro 8y ago

The answer is, yes hosted Oracle DBs are the "cloud" and yes hosted AD is the "cloud," in so long as they are on a pool of resources. Why wouldn't it be? How is that any different than moving your MEAN, LAMP or whatever stack from bare metal to a cloud provider on a VM? It's not. What makes the "cloud" the "cloud," isn't some serverless, edge, kubernetes fancy whatever. Most people do not use/need that stuff. It's pooled resources and a toolset that allows you to scale, provision, monitor, etc in a simple way with no human interaction. That's it. Everything else is nuance. I think the ambiguity that people are so inclined to over engineer that they can't possibly imagine something so simple as a vanilla VM with a SQL SaaS hooked to it as "the cloud" because it's not complex enough.

NotSammyHagar 8y ago
Adding probably legacy businesses into the growing 'new cloud' revenue totals looks like they have more than they say, that's why they do it. Amazon cloud only started with aws, they don't have 30 year workloads from ancient companies moved to a cloud. It matters because you are hiding the new part from the legacy part, legacy is probably shrinking in general. It makes microsoft look much larger. you can argue that running active directory in a cloud vm is still in the cloud - yes, but that's not the same kind of growth because that entire old windows market is static at best.