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It's a custom-built mini app. - Platform: Nuxt (https://nuxtjs.org/ https://nuxtjs.org/) - Language: JavaScript - Templates: Vue Finishing up with MS Teams de

by kulesh 8y ago

It's a custom-built mini app. - Platform: Nuxt (https://nuxtjs.org/ https://nuxtjs.org/) - Language: JavaScript - Templates: Vue Finishing up with MS Teams demo atm, will probably share more on this later on. Curious about your general reaction 'I really really really never want to see anywhere I work'. Would you mind elaborating on that please? Why such a strong opposition? Thanks!

maccio92 8y ago
not the OP but feel about the same as he does about it. never would I ever want to reduce myself and my coworkers to numbers and karma and have this weird scoring system
- kulesh 8y ago
  Thanks for sharing! Not sure where the idea of 'reduction' came from. The way I understand the product, it's an enhancement on top of whatever noisy day-to-day activity happens on chats. One can say 'well done!' or post a funny custom emoji, but is that appreciation strong enough? Also, there is definitely a cultural component to this. Some teams are comfortable with _negative karma_. In NZ and AU this is definitely a show-stopper, a tool for embracing 'toxic work environment'. In Spain, for example, it's OK: "I understand that negative karma might not be the most desirable thing to do. But it happens, at least it happens in our team. And at the end of the month we check the rankings, and we have like a “developer of the month” kind of prize, so it’s cool to take negatives into the equation." All I'm saying, I guess, is that people and businesses are different. We try really hard to understand our customers.
Waterluvian 8y ago
Sorry I should have qualified my reaction. I don't want any form of quantification of gamification of slack participation. It creates wrong incentives.
- kulesh 8y ago
  What would be the right incentive? One usually gets karma when there is actual work or a good deed (e.g. helping your teammate) been done.
- calgoo 8y ago
  Exactly, give me a bonus at the end of the year and a raise the next year if you think i have done a good job. Have a chat with me in a one to one meeting if you believe i have something i can improve on. I never want something that feels like the smiley face sticker and sad face stickers that school teachers use to "motivate" kids. We are grownups and we can have a talk if there is something the can improve. If not, let me get on with my day and my work.
  - NinoScript 8y ago
    I’m my last work we had a few smiley face stickers, we loved it. It didn’t motivate us, but it was fun. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
citruspi 8y ago
1) The Slack emulator is super cool! Any chance there's plans to open source it as a Nuxt or Vue plugin? 2) re: Reaction to the karmabot, I'd echo the sentiments expressed by others - I really wouldn't want to see this in a work environment. To provide some context/background - I work remotely and use Slack async. I'm always "offline," and I rarely monitor/post in channels. If I'm needed, people @me or DM me and I respond. Once or twice a day I'll quickly scan through unread messages in channels to see if there's anything I can contribute to a discussion. And then there's a few channels configured to alert me on every message, but those are mostly channels for critical alerts and stuff. (We've got regular team meetings via audio/video as well). But with this "karma" system, I'd be at a disadvantage because I don't _avidly_ use Slack and my "karma" wouldn't accurately reflect my "business productivity/performance." The numbers would be, in the best case, inaccurate and ignored, and in the worst case, detrimental to my career because my "business performance" was summed up into a single number based on how often I contribute on Slack and how popular my messages are. We already have tools to measure our "business performance," e.g. Jira, and I'd argue that they're more accurate than a system reliant on people reacting to Slack messages or rewarding coworkers with "karma".

by kulesh 8y ago

maccio92 8y ago

not the OP but feel about the same as he does about it. never would I ever want to reduce myself and my coworkers to numbers and karma and have this weird scoring system

kulesh 8y ago
Thanks for sharing! Not sure where the idea of 'reduction' came from. The way I understand the product, it's an enhancement on top of whatever noisy day-to-day activity happens on chats. One can say 'well done!' or post a funny custom emoji, but is that appreciation strong enough? Also, there is definitely a cultural component to this. Some teams are comfortable with _negative karma_. In NZ and AU this is definitely a show-stopper, a tool for embracing 'toxic work environment'. In Spain, for example, it's OK: "I understand that negative karma might not be the most desirable thing to do. But it happens, at least it happens in our team. And at the end of the month we check the rankings, and we have like a “developer of the month” kind of prize, so it’s cool to take negatives into the equation." All I'm saying, I guess, is that people and businesses are different. We try really hard to understand our customers.

Waterluvian 8y ago

Sorry I should have qualified my reaction. I don't want any form of quantification of gamification of slack participation. It creates wrong incentives.

kulesh 8y ago
What would be the right incentive? One usually gets karma when there is actual work or a good deed (e.g. helping your teammate) been done.
calgoo 8y ago
Exactly, give me a bonus at the end of the year and a raise the next year if you think i have done a good job. Have a chat with me in a one to one meeting if you believe i have something i can improve on. I never want something that feels like the smiley face sticker and sad face stickers that school teachers use to "motivate" kids. We are grownups and we can have a talk if there is something the can improve. If not, let me get on with my day and my work.
- NinoScript 8y ago
  I’m my last work we had a few smiley face stickers, we loved it. It didn’t motivate us, but it was fun. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

citruspi 8y ago

1) The Slack emulator is super cool! Any chance there's plans to open source it as a Nuxt or Vue plugin? 2) re: Reaction to the karmabot, I'd echo the sentiments expressed by others - I really wouldn't want to see this in a work environment. To provide some context/background - I work remotely and use Slack async. I'm always "offline," and I rarely monitor/post in channels. If I'm needed, people @me or DM me and I respond. Once or twice a day I'll quickly scan through unread messages in channels to see if there's anything I can contribute to a discussion. And then there's a few channels configured to alert me on every message, but those are mostly channels for critical alerts and stuff. (We've got regular team meetings via audio/video as well). But with this "karma" system, I'd be at a disadvantage because I don't _avidly_ use Slack and my "karma" wouldn't accurately reflect my "business productivity/performance." The numbers would be, in the best case, inaccurate and ignored, and in the worst case, detrimental to my career because my "business performance" was summed up into a single number based on how often I contribute on Slack and how popular my messages are. We already have tools to measure our "business performance," e.g. Jira, and I'd argue that they're more accurate than a system reliant on people reacting to Slack messages or rewarding coworkers with "karma".