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Ditched Mac completely and went back to Windows after they removed magsafe, added that dumb touch bar, and introduced dongle-gate. I lost faith in their abilit

Ditched Mac completely and went back to Windows after they removed magsafe, added that dumb touch bar, and introduced dongle-gate. I lost faith in their ability to innovate and understand their users.

geggam 8y ago
I use a Thinkpad Windows 10 but am lost at work without the CLI of a unix variant. Current solution is adding memory and a VM of linux because work wont let me get rid of their managed OS. ( Powershell is better but it is not a unix shell and WSL isn't all there yet ) I wont be buying a new Mac.
- estsauver 8y ago
  I've been happy being on linux.
- thibautg 8y ago
  Have you tried git bash?
- wishinghand 8y ago
  What sort of speed hit will you take developing on a Linux VM? I’m thinking of heading that way.
  - Macha 8y ago
    It depends. I used a similar setup for a while, and the performance overhead of the VM was less than the impact of the endpoint protection software intercepting file access when developing directly on the Mac. Very noticeable on stuff like watching JS files or IDE indexing.
- aonic 8y ago
  Windows 10 has the Linux subsystem feature now. You can have a Linux CLI without a VM :)
  - geggam 8y ago
    that would be the WSL I said isnt quite ready for what I do yet
  - nl 8y ago
    I believed this until I bought a cheap laptop Windows laptop to try it. It works, technically. But it lacks all kinds of integration with core Windows, to the point where you can't run VS.Code against Python files in the WSL world. It's easier to run a VM and sync files over SSH, sadly.
bluegreyred 8y ago
understandable, though you forgot to mention the soldered SSD. I bought another 2015 15" when it was EOL'd three months ago, put Applecare on it and passed my old 2013 down to my parents. If this one would get run over by a truck I'd probably buy a Thinkpad.
brandonmenc 8y ago
> I lost faith in their ability to innovate and understand their users. Consider the possibility that you represent an extremely tiny segment of users.
- wyclif 8y ago
  I don't think he does. It's a laptop (i.e., a mature consumer product, not something new like the Apple Watch) and the entire point of "MacBook Pro" is that it's supposed to be for pro users who do engineering on a laptop. That market is a subset of MBP users, but it's a significant one.
  - brandonmenc 8y ago
    > the entire point of "MacBook Pro" is that it's supposed to be for pro users who do engineering on a laptop Very little of the promotional material from Apple features engineering being done on the MacBook/iMac Pro - it's almost all content creation. Engineers are far from being the main target audience for these products.
    - wyclif 8y ago
      Engineers are far from being the main target audience for these products And that's why I was careful to say exactly that by qualifying that they are not. The bigger point is that post-Jobs Apple doesn't seem to target engineers or even "content creators" that strongly anymore. There are always going to be the type of people who just want the brand identification that Apple serves up, and will happily use a MacBook Pro to access Facebook or YouTube and little else. That seems a really bad way to appeal to the pro user market, even if it's smaller.
- pdimitar 8y ago
  That is possible. However the segment of users you might have in mind would get the MacBook Air -- in my opinion. The "Pro" branding implies battery, horsepower and ergonomics. Something Apple consistently failed to deliver ever since they peaked with the MacBook Pro 2015.
insulanus 8y ago
Yes, I think part of the problem is that they think everyone expects them to "innovate" every year. I want them to just leave the basics the alone, and do incremental improvements like CPU, GPU and battery updates, until they get another really good idea. Take 5 years, if you need it. It's a laptop, it's not a fusion reactor. It's mature technology, as far as humans are concerned.

geggam 8y ago

I use a Thinkpad Windows 10 but am lost at work without the CLI of a unix variant. Current solution is adding memory and a VM of linux because work wont let me get rid of their managed OS. ( Powershell is better but it is not a unix shell and WSL isn't all there yet ) I wont be buying a new Mac.

estsauver 8y ago
I've been happy being on linux.
thibautg 8y ago
Have you tried git bash?
wishinghand 8y ago
What sort of speed hit will you take developing on a Linux VM? I’m thinking of heading that way.
- Macha 8y ago
  It depends. I used a similar setup for a while, and the performance overhead of the VM was less than the impact of the endpoint protection software intercepting file access when developing directly on the Mac. Very noticeable on stuff like watching JS files or IDE indexing.
aonic 8y ago
Windows 10 has the Linux subsystem feature now. You can have a Linux CLI without a VM :)
- geggam 8y ago
  that would be the WSL I said isnt quite ready for what I do yet
- nl 8y ago
  I believed this until I bought a cheap laptop Windows laptop to try it. It works, technically. But it lacks all kinds of integration with core Windows, to the point where you can't run VS.Code against Python files in the WSL world. It's easier to run a VM and sync files over SSH, sadly.

bluegreyred 8y ago

understandable, though you forgot to mention the soldered SSD. I bought another 2015 15" when it was EOL'd three months ago, put Applecare on it and passed my old 2013 down to my parents. If this one would get run over by a truck I'd probably buy a Thinkpad.

brandonmenc 8y ago

> I lost faith in their ability to innovate and understand their users. Consider the possibility that you represent an extremely tiny segment of users.

wyclif 8y ago
I don't think he does. It's a laptop (i.e., a mature consumer product, not something new like the Apple Watch) and the entire point of "MacBook Pro" is that it's supposed to be for pro users who do engineering on a laptop. That market is a subset of MBP users, but it's a significant one.
- brandonmenc 8y ago
  > the entire point of "MacBook Pro" is that it's supposed to be for pro users who do engineering on a laptop Very little of the promotional material from Apple features engineering being done on the MacBook/iMac Pro - it's almost all content creation. Engineers are far from being the main target audience for these products.
  - wyclif 8y ago
    Engineers are far from being the main target audience for these products And that's why I was careful to say exactly that by qualifying that they are not. The bigger point is that post-Jobs Apple doesn't seem to target engineers or even "content creators" that strongly anymore. There are always going to be the type of people who just want the brand identification that Apple serves up, and will happily use a MacBook Pro to access Facebook or YouTube and little else. That seems a really bad way to appeal to the pro user market, even if it's smaller.
pdimitar 8y ago
That is possible. However the segment of users you might have in mind would get the MacBook Air -- in my opinion. The "Pro" branding implies battery, horsepower and ergonomics. Something Apple consistently failed to deliver ever since they peaked with the MacBook Pro 2015.

insulanus 8y ago

Yes, I think part of the problem is that they think everyone expects them to "innovate" every year. I want them to just leave the basics the alone, and do incremental improvements like CPU, GPU and battery updates, until they get another really good idea. Take 5 years, if you need it. It's a laptop, it's not a fusion reactor. It's mature technology, as far as humans are concerned.