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It also depends on the culture. In Asia, it's not as cut throat as USA, where you shop around every 2-3 years. Japan they'll train you, and quitting isn't some

It also depends on the culture. In Asia, it's not as cut throat as USA, where you shop around every 2-3 years. Japan they'll train you, and quitting isn't something that's easily done -- watch any Japanese netflix series about slice of life/normal life and you'll see the daily struggle or just read the news, or if you have the chance, go to Japan. Death by overwork is real and on the other hand, companies such as Rakutan will hire newly minted devs from schools that may know nothing and use the herd of workers to make them catch up. Philippines and Indonesia is also similar with OJT training and filling seats. Can't comment for anywhere else in Asia. But it is really 180 compared to USA.

distant_hat 8y ago
Yes, this is common in India too. In fact, companies like TCS, etc are called 'mass recruiters' who recruit in bulk. There are satirical YouTube videos about them hiring by the kilogram. They hire indiscriminately, pay crap, in the the next 6 months people undergo on-the-job training. Some are kicked out, some are moved to better positions and offerings and the rest are contracted out to run-of-the-mill projects. Back when I was graduating, we had TCS come to our Tier-I college. The recruiter started off by telling that the salary they will be offering was 250,000INR/yr (then about 7K USD/yr) and that those who found it too low were free to leave. About half the class walked out. The rest stayed, most were offered a position.
- lapnitnelav 8y ago
  So, in which group were you? The ones that left or the one that stayed?
  - distant_hat 8y ago
    Neither. I am not in software.
- ivanhoe 8y ago
  From my experience of outsourcing to India, they give those juniors a real, paid projects to learn on and do very little babysitting and quality control on the code produced, reducing their costs, so they're still making them money while learning - but that results in poorly written code and creates all sorts of problems for clients.
  - kkarakk 8y ago
    >but that results in poorly written code and creates all sorts of problems for clients. which is where the service contract comes in
andrewflnr 8y ago
What do they do if you just stop showing up for work? Can they do anything besides stop paying you?

distant_hat 8y ago

Yes, this is common in India too. In fact, companies like TCS, etc are called 'mass recruiters' who recruit in bulk. There are satirical YouTube videos about them hiring by the kilogram. They hire indiscriminately, pay crap, in the the next 6 months people undergo on-the-job training. Some are kicked out, some are moved to better positions and offerings and the rest are contracted out to run-of-the-mill projects. Back when I was graduating, we had TCS come to our Tier-I college. The recruiter started off by telling that the salary they will be offering was 250,000INR/yr (then about 7K USD/yr) and that those who found it too low were free to leave. About half the class walked out. The rest stayed, most were offered a position.

lapnitnelav 8y ago
So, in which group were you? The ones that left or the one that stayed?
- distant_hat 8y ago
  Neither. I am not in software.
ivanhoe 8y ago
From my experience of outsourcing to India, they give those juniors a real, paid projects to learn on and do very little babysitting and quality control on the code produced, reducing their costs, so they're still making them money while learning - but that results in poorly written code and creates all sorts of problems for clients.
- kkarakk 8y ago
  >but that results in poorly written code and creates all sorts of problems for clients. which is where the service contract comes in

andrewflnr 8y ago

What do they do if you just stop showing up for work? Can they do anything besides stop paying you?