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> in some jurisdictions, you are required to hire whoever has the best qualifications for the job Curious, what jurisdictions would these be? Nice idea I gues

> in some jurisdictions, you are required to hire whoever has the best qualifications for the job Curious, what jurisdictions would these be? Nice idea I guess but I don't see how it could possibly be enforceable.

lb1lf 8y ago
-In this case, Norway. The public sector are required to publish all available positions and adhere quite strictly to the listed qualification requirements when determining who to hire. It is a nice idea, but in practice it basically means the system will be gamed like I experienced in the cases where they already have a candidate lined up.
- cf498 8y ago
  It is especially obvious for research assistants and phd positions. And it makes complete sense, as you are not looking for someone to do a specific job, but quite the opposite, for funds to prolong someones position. It is especially obvious, if the person in question was the one writing the proposal for the grant money.
mjlee 8y ago
A similar thing happens in countries where you must justify visa applications by proving that nobody in the existing hiring pool fits the criteria.
sideshowb 8y ago
This is true in the UK. At least, we are trained that we must have a paper trail to show we picked the best candidate, so you have to think carefully about which requirements are essential vs optional. I'm not sure what the law says, but the aim is more to avoid lawsuits than to find out I guess. Closely tailored requirements to pick the candidate already in mind are definitely a thing that still happens, though. It annoys me as it wastes the time of everyone from the hiring manager through to the unsuccessful candidates, but alas we're all slaves to HR :( Lol at the Swahili thing, I've not seen it so blatant before!
- sideshowb 8y ago
  Thinking about it, this is discrimination law: you have to be able to prove you selected the candidates based on their merits as outlined in the job requirements, rather than a protected characteristic such as race, gender, sexuality etc. Proving a negative is difficult so you need a watertight case for the positive.
kweks 8y ago
Definitely France, and quite possibly this is a law ratified into EU law. For example, if a French company wants to hire a specific American (or any non EU citizen) person, they need to prove that the position is unfillable in France, and then unfillable in Europe. The leads to incredibly obscure job adverts as explained in this thread ..

lb1lf 8y ago

-In this case, Norway. The public sector are required to publish all available positions and adhere quite strictly to the listed qualification requirements when determining who to hire. It is a nice idea, but in practice it basically means the system will be gamed like I experienced in the cases where they already have a candidate lined up.

cf498 8y ago
It is especially obvious for research assistants and phd positions. And it makes complete sense, as you are not looking for someone to do a specific job, but quite the opposite, for funds to prolong someones position. It is especially obvious, if the person in question was the one writing the proposal for the grant money.

mjlee 8y ago

A similar thing happens in countries where you must justify visa applications by proving that nobody in the existing hiring pool fits the criteria.

sideshowb 8y ago

This is true in the UK. At least, we are trained that we must have a paper trail to show we picked the best candidate, so you have to think carefully about which requirements are essential vs optional. I'm not sure what the law says, but the aim is more to avoid lawsuits than to find out I guess. Closely tailored requirements to pick the candidate already in mind are definitely a thing that still happens, though. It annoys me as it wastes the time of everyone from the hiring manager through to the unsuccessful candidates, but alas we're all slaves to HR :( Lol at the Swahili thing, I've not seen it so blatant before!

sideshowb 8y ago
Thinking about it, this is discrimination law: you have to be able to prove you selected the candidates based on their merits as outlined in the job requirements, rather than a protected characteristic such as race, gender, sexuality etc. Proving a negative is difficult so you need a watertight case for the positive.

kweks 8y ago

Definitely France, and quite possibly this is a law ratified into EU law. For example, if a French company wants to hire a specific American (or any non EU citizen) person, they need to prove that the position is unfillable in France, and then unfillable in Europe. The leads to incredibly obscure job adverts as explained in this thread ..