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No. That would be like someone taking GeoCities down in 1998 and claiming you took down 30% of "The Internet. You would have gotten a bunch of stuff, but obviou

No. That would be like someone taking GeoCities down in 1998 and claiming you took down 30% of "The Internet. You would have gotten a bunch of stuff, but obviously not 30% At best they took down 30% of hidden web services with published addresses at aggregator sites like Hidden Wiki. It's not that you don't know where its hosted, it's that you don't know who is using it or where they are. That includes publishers with hosted content, even from the host itself. 5Eyes couldn't just drop a tap in front of Danial's Host and see anything useful, just intermediate nodes with no idea what was on the other end. (barring a >51% attack where they own the first and last nodes in the circuit.)

ryacko 8y ago
In 1998, I think 60% of search results were for GeoCities....
kodablah 8y ago
> At best they took down 30% of hidden web services with published addresses at aggregator sites like Hidden Wiki 30% is wrong, but there are other ways these metrics [0] are extrapolated [1]. You can see a dip in that first chart, didn't check dates to see if related. 0 - https://metrics.torproject.org/hidserv-dir-onions-seen.html https://metrics.torproject.org/hidserv-dir-onions-seen.html 1 - https://blog.torproject.org/some-statistics-about-onions https://blog.torproject.org/some-statistics-about-onions
- thomasdd 8y ago
  Don't confuse, and don't mix .onion domains or hidden services with web-sites running on a hidden service. If a hidden service exist, it don't have to be a website! Here is your Data about .onion websites: https://www.reddit.com/r/onions/comments/9yfwfb/my_personal_stats_on_working_onion_websites_after/ https://www.reddit.com/r/onions/comments/9yfwfb/my_personal_... About 7000 .onion sites worked before, about 3100 after...
saurik 8y ago
Your second paragraph is not, in my understanding, the goal of a hidden service: that is merely the goal of Tor itself and would apply to a non-hidden service being accessed via Tor. The goal of the hidden services feature is to allow hosts to have the same level of anonymity as users, making it nearly impossible to shut them down or know where to tap their traffic (for timing attacks).
- na412 8y ago
  Onion services can have various goals. Hiding the server is a very common one, but it's not always the case. For example facebook runs an onion server for their service, they don't need to hide the service itself. So they configure their Tor relays with no anonymity on the service side (HiddenServiceSingleHopMode 1) and get better performance. Such non-anonymous onion services can have many goals, for example: * Reducing load on Tor exit nodes * Providing users a secure, authenticated connection without depending on the CA system (assuming you got the URL through a secure channel the first time, you know only the key holder can provide service on that host). * NAT traversal for services that otherwise have no need for anonymity

ryacko 8y ago

In 1998, I think 60% of search results were for GeoCities....

kodablah 8y ago

> At best they took down 30% of hidden web services with published addresses at aggregator sites like Hidden Wiki 30% is wrong, but there are other ways these metrics [0] are extrapolated [1]. You can see a dip in that first chart, didn't check dates to see if related. 0 - https://metrics.torproject.org/hidserv-dir-onions-seen.html https://metrics.torproject.org/hidserv-dir-onions-seen.html 1 - https://blog.torproject.org/some-statistics-about-onions https://blog.torproject.org/some-statistics-about-onions

thomasdd 8y ago
Don't confuse, and don't mix .onion domains or hidden services with web-sites running on a hidden service. If a hidden service exist, it don't have to be a website! Here is your Data about .onion websites: https://www.reddit.com/r/onions/comments/9yfwfb/my_personal_stats_on_working_onion_websites_after/ https://www.reddit.com/r/onions/comments/9yfwfb/my_personal_... About 7000 .onion sites worked before, about 3100 after...

saurik 8y ago

Your second paragraph is not, in my understanding, the goal of a hidden service: that is merely the goal of Tor itself and would apply to a non-hidden service being accessed via Tor. The goal of the hidden services feature is to allow hosts to have the same level of anonymity as users, making it nearly impossible to shut them down or know where to tap their traffic (for timing attacks).

na412 8y ago
Onion services can have various goals. Hiding the server is a very common one, but it's not always the case. For example facebook runs an onion server for their service, they don't need to hide the service itself. So they configure their Tor relays with no anonymity on the service side (HiddenServiceSingleHopMode 1) and get better performance. Such non-anonymous onion services can have many goals, for example: * Reducing load on Tor exit nodes * Providing users a secure, authenticated connection without depending on the CA system (assuming you got the URL through a secure channel the first time, you know only the key holder can provide service on that host). * NAT traversal for services that otherwise have no need for anonymity