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'Cheating at an exam' is transgressing a rule that doesn't "exist" in nature, it only exists in our social (if that's the right word) system. So if I cheat at a

'Cheating at an exam' is transgressing a rule that doesn't "exist" in nature, it only exists in our social (if that's the right word) system. So if I cheat at an exam, I'm breaking a rule that's in the system that we made up (together), and therefore I can judge that, in some circumstances, I can break the rule without feeling morally wrong, without feeling guilt, because I, in some sense, made the rule myself. I'm breaking my own-making rule. Another example of that could be: I want my kid to go to bed at 9pm. Sometimes I will break that rule. To some extend, because of the reasons I've advanced, I claim that cheating at an exam follows the same characteristic as the "kid go to bed at 9pm". Just not in the same magnitude if you will. I then guessed that it may draws the limit between what's ethic and moral.

yesenadam 8y ago
Hi again. I don't see how that draws any limit/distinction - it was 2 examples of rules that can be broken, not sure how that helps explain the difference, or why you said that. I wouldn't say bedtime is a moral rule/principle, or that breaking it is unethical. Maybe could make it clearer for me which one was supposed to illustrate what, if one was meant to be ethical, one moral, or something, I don't know. I really have never heard the words used with much or any difference. (I'm no expert, but have read dozens of ethics books, studied ethics/moral philosophy at uni etc) I'm just guessing here, but maybe you have a religious value system, with absolute moral commandments or something? All I have (as an atheist) are ethical/moral principles exactly like 'cheating is wrong'.
- quadcore 8y ago
  You say 'cheating is wrong'. Fair enough, you can see 'right or wrong' as binary. Or you can live in the real world and understand that things are a little more complicated than that. With all the information you have out here (more than your hypothesis) you can make a fairer judgement. And you don't do judgement without introducing the living anyway because only what's living can judge and be judge-able. It's a social thing to judge right or wrong. So you have to take into account all the system. The living. Now I'm not going to do the math for you.

yesenadam 8y ago

Hi again. I don't see how that draws any limit/distinction - it was 2 examples of rules that can be broken, not sure how that helps explain the difference, or why you said that. I wouldn't say bedtime is a moral rule/principle, or that breaking it is unethical. Maybe could make it clearer for me which one was supposed to illustrate what, if one was meant to be ethical, one moral, or something, I don't know. I really have never heard the words used with much or any difference. (I'm no expert, but have read dozens of ethics books, studied ethics/moral philosophy at uni etc) I'm just guessing here, but maybe you have a religious value system, with absolute moral commandments or something? All I have (as an atheist) are ethical/moral principles exactly like 'cheating is wrong'.

quadcore 8y ago
You say 'cheating is wrong'. Fair enough, you can see 'right or wrong' as binary. Or you can live in the real world and understand that things are a little more complicated than that. With all the information you have out here (more than your hypothesis) you can make a fairer judgement. And you don't do judgement without introducing the living anyway because only what's living can judge and be judge-able. It's a social thing to judge right or wrong. So you have to take into account all the system. The living. Now I'm not going to do the math for you.