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This looks like a good old "Kill the problem and frame him later" type of a take down. The owners (or some users) angered the wrong people, and now they are eve

This looks like a good old "Kill the problem and frame him later" type of a take down. The owners (or some users) angered the wrong people, and now they are even the biggest pedos of the whole wide world...

busterarm 8y ago
They probably were the biggest pedos in the world. That's the only sane reason to host a platform like this, if you have any sense of self-preservation. Moreover, its predecessors, Freedom Hosting and Freedom Hosting II, were both the biggest purveyors of CP when they were taken down. If it walks like a duck...
- yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
  Only the guilty have something to hide? Really?
- jorblumesea 8y ago
  Yeah, and the biggest users of cryptography are criminals. Only the guilty lock their car doors, right?
  - busterarm 8y ago
    You and the other commenter are missing the point. I'm not stating either of those. The motivation for hosting something like this is to hide what you're hosting in a bunch of noise. Legal or illegal. Your goal is to make it hard to gather metadata about the service. There are perfectly legitimate reasons to want that... That said, it's a foregone conclusion that if you host a service like this, people who want to distribute child pornography are going to flock to it. If you don't police the content, that's even more true. In fact, in the case of Freedom Hosting II, the host was allowing the pedos to circumvent the normal limitations of the platform, in theory because they were paying cold hard cash, as well as allowing scammers to operate on the platform, also for cold hard cash. It's been suggested that as much as 50% of the content hosted on Freedom Hosting II was child porn. If you knowingly allow people to use your service to distribute child pornography or commit other crimes, you're every bit as culpable as your customers. This type of platform costs not-insignificant money to run -- it's a business. Nobody is hosting this many services out of a sense of altruism. And honestly, in the case of CP, if you're hosting it, including running a service that facilitates the hosting of it, you deserve to serve consecutive life sentences in prison and whatever harm befalls those in prison who get found out as pedos.
    - jabberthemutt 8y ago
      > you deserve to serve consecutive life sentences in prison and whatever harm befalls those in prison who get found out as pedos Pedophilia by itself is not harmful to anyone. It is those who physically act in their urges or support the creation of CP media that are harmful. Passive consumption is not something I would blindly use as reason to wish someone harm. Instead I wish them psychological support to overcome their abnormal sexuality. Rehabilitation beats punishment any day for behaviour like that.
      - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
        "Passive consumption" enables the industry that creates this content to exist in the first place. It is not victimless. This is not a difficult concept to understand. That said, I agree with your point that these people need help and support and that blindly locking them away for looking at pictures on the internet is generally not a good use of resources.
        busterarm 8y ago
        Would you say there's a further point of distinction between someone who just looks and someone who shares it with others? I'm specifically talking about the latter case, even though I personally see no such distinction. I will concede your point that rehabilitation is a possibility, but a crime was committed and that help and support can begin in prison.
        palunon 8y ago
        > that help and support can begin in prison Could begin in prison. In most countries' prisons, including in the US and most of Europe, it can't.
      - ryanmercer 8y ago
        > Passive consumption is not something I would blindly use as reason to wish someone harm. Consumption tells the filthy creatures making the material that it is in demand, and they make more. How the hell are you defending pedophilia?!

busterarm 8y ago

They probably were the biggest pedos in the world. That's the only sane reason to host a platform like this, if you have any sense of self-preservation. Moreover, its predecessors, Freedom Hosting and Freedom Hosting II, were both the biggest purveyors of CP when they were taken down. If it walks like a duck...

yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
Only the guilty have something to hide? Really?
jorblumesea 8y ago
Yeah, and the biggest users of cryptography are criminals. Only the guilty lock their car doors, right?
- busterarm 8y ago
  You and the other commenter are missing the point. I'm not stating either of those. The motivation for hosting something like this is to hide what you're hosting in a bunch of noise. Legal or illegal. Your goal is to make it hard to gather metadata about the service. There are perfectly legitimate reasons to want that... That said, it's a foregone conclusion that if you host a service like this, people who want to distribute child pornography are going to flock to it. If you don't police the content, that's even more true. In fact, in the case of Freedom Hosting II, the host was allowing the pedos to circumvent the normal limitations of the platform, in theory because they were paying cold hard cash, as well as allowing scammers to operate on the platform, also for cold hard cash. It's been suggested that as much as 50% of the content hosted on Freedom Hosting II was child porn. If you knowingly allow people to use your service to distribute child pornography or commit other crimes, you're every bit as culpable as your customers. This type of platform costs not-insignificant money to run -- it's a business. Nobody is hosting this many services out of a sense of altruism. And honestly, in the case of CP, if you're hosting it, including running a service that facilitates the hosting of it, you deserve to serve consecutive life sentences in prison and whatever harm befalls those in prison who get found out as pedos.
  - jabberthemutt 8y ago
    > you deserve to serve consecutive life sentences in prison and whatever harm befalls those in prison who get found out as pedos Pedophilia by itself is not harmful to anyone. It is those who physically act in their urges or support the creation of CP media that are harmful. Passive consumption is not something I would blindly use as reason to wish someone harm. Instead I wish them psychological support to overcome their abnormal sexuality. Rehabilitation beats punishment any day for behaviour like that.
    - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
      "Passive consumption" enables the industry that creates this content to exist in the first place. It is not victimless. This is not a difficult concept to understand. That said, I agree with your point that these people need help and support and that blindly locking them away for looking at pictures on the internet is generally not a good use of resources.
      - busterarm 8y ago
        Would you say there's a further point of distinction between someone who just looks and someone who shares it with others? I'm specifically talking about the latter case, even though I personally see no such distinction. I will concede your point that rehabilitation is a possibility, but a crime was committed and that help and support can begin in prison.
        palunon 8y ago
        > that help and support can begin in prison Could begin in prison. In most countries' prisons, including in the US and most of Europe, it can't.
    - ryanmercer 8y ago
      > Passive consumption is not something I would blindly use as reason to wish someone harm. Consumption tells the filthy creatures making the material that it is in demand, and they make more. How the hell are you defending pedophilia?!