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Good point until you dragged Google into it. They're no different than the tobacco companies of 60 years ago who were getting doctors to say smoking was good fo

Good point until you dragged Google into it. They're no different than the tobacco companies of 60 years ago who were getting doctors to say smoking was good for you. Or the makers of junk food and Steam in your examples who would really prefer that you not toss their stuff, but you do anyway. No one is forcing you to use Google, and it's not that difficult to limit your exposure to whatever shenanigans they're engaging in to influence you, just like every organization has since the beginning of organizations. In fact, I think it's probably easier now than it has been at many points in history. How easy was it to escape the influence of the Catholic church a few hundred years ago?

core-questions 8y ago
> No one is forcing you to use Google, Unless your organization uses Google Apps, or standardizes company cell phones on Android, or uses Google Cloud for hosting things...
- ryanwaggoner 8y ago
  This is a bizarre redefining of being “forced”.
  - TeMPOraL 8y ago
    It's not bizarre. The "do this or else lose your job (and therefore go into poverty, making yourself and everyone you know miesrable, and possibly die of illness or starvation)" is probably the most common method of forcing people to do things against their will and conscience in the western world.
    - ryanwaggoner 8y ago
      Yeah, the outcome for quitting or being fired is usually crushing poverty followed by starvation or dying in the gutter from an untreated illness. That’s why everyone still works the same first job that they got in high school. I want to see employees have more negotiating power, but you’re being ridiculous. Yes, there’s a whole segment of employees who are exploited by their employers because they are financially vulnerable and may not be able to easily get another job. I’ve worked some of those jobs. They’re mostly not the types of jobs where there’s a lot of concern because their boss makes them use Google Apps. And going down this road, there’s a huge variety of things you can say your boss “forces” you to do, where it becomes meaningless. My boss “forces” me to use this brand of office furniture. My boss “forces” me to be here during business hours. My boss “forces” me to do work, for crying out loud! The inhumanity! You seem to think that if anyone has any ability to cause you inconvenience or even harm if you don’t do their bidding, they’re forced you.

core-questions 8y ago

> No one is forcing you to use Google, Unless your organization uses Google Apps, or standardizes company cell phones on Android, or uses Google Cloud for hosting things...

ryanwaggoner 8y ago
This is a bizarre redefining of being “forced”.
- TeMPOraL 8y ago
  It's not bizarre. The "do this or else lose your job (and therefore go into poverty, making yourself and everyone you know miesrable, and possibly die of illness or starvation)" is probably the most common method of forcing people to do things against their will and conscience in the western world.
  - ryanwaggoner 8y ago
    Yeah, the outcome for quitting or being fired is usually crushing poverty followed by starvation or dying in the gutter from an untreated illness. That’s why everyone still works the same first job that they got in high school. I want to see employees have more negotiating power, but you’re being ridiculous. Yes, there’s a whole segment of employees who are exploited by their employers because they are financially vulnerable and may not be able to easily get another job. I’ve worked some of those jobs. They’re mostly not the types of jobs where there’s a lot of concern because their boss makes them use Google Apps. And going down this road, there’s a huge variety of things you can say your boss “forces” you to do, where it becomes meaningless. My boss “forces” me to use this brand of office furniture. My boss “forces” me to be here during business hours. My boss “forces” me to do work, for crying out loud! The inhumanity! You seem to think that if anyone has any ability to cause you inconvenience or even harm if you don’t do their bidding, they’re forced you.