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Their religion and its proponents teach them to spread the word, they won't take a break. It's what separates Christianity and Islam from the majority of non-pr

Their religion and its proponents teach them to spread the word, they won't take a break. It's what separates Christianity and Islam from the majority of non-proselytizing religions.

Udik 8y ago
I don't see catholic christians setting up missions with the primary purpose of proselytizing. In many respects it is true that American evangelical churches are much more retrograde than the Catholic church itself, promoting a brand of religion that is, for example, self-righteous, anti-scientific, and putting particular emphasis on the more archaic and brutal Old Testament.
- ryanmercer 8y ago
  >I don't see catholic christians setting up missions with the primary purpose of proselytizing. Because they did most of it starting in the middle ages and the Age of Discovery. In fact that's mostly what the Franciscans, Dominicans and Jesuits did in California, South America and Asia from 1500ish to well into the late 1800's.
  - Udik 8y ago
    Of course, I'm talking about the current situation.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > I don't see catholic christians setting up missions with the primary purpose of proselytizing. To the extent that is true, it is a post-Vatican II reform (and proselytization is still an important function of Catholic missionary work, though the method of more persuasion by example.)
  - etrautmann 8y ago
    > persuasion by example A bit of an odd example that the catholic church chooses to set...
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago
  > I don't see catholic christians setting up missions with the primary purpose of proselytizing. Not in the West. In Africa and Asia, absolutely.
candiodari 8y ago
> the majority of non-proselytizing religions I get that you are much more aware of how it works in Christianity and Islam, but there is no majority of non-proselytizing religions. Such a thing cannot exist in a Nash equilibrium. Think about it. All current faiths (and for that matter, ideologies) have spread much faster than people spread. MUCH faster. So they all proselytized. It is sometimes a little bit irritating to hear people make the wildest claims about quite a few religions. Often about Buddhism people make the most outlandish claims, which presumably includes "non-proselytizing" in your comment. Now please don't think I'm singling out Buddhism here, it's just an example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missionary#Buddhist_missions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missionary#Buddhist_missions
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago
  You are mistaken. Judaism, at least, does not proselytize. Some branches actively discourage converts, and a few refuse to acknowledge that conversion is even possible for the Gentile-born.
  - ryacko 8y ago
    The branch of Judaism that proselytzed and admitted Gentile converts became Christianity.
    - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
      And the rest did not. The point stands.

Their religion and its proponents teach them to spread the word, they won't take a break. It's what separates Christianity and Islam from the majority of non-proselytizing religions.

Udik 8y ago

I don't see catholic christians setting up missions with the primary purpose of proselytizing. In many respects it is true that American evangelical churches are much more retrograde than the Catholic church itself, promoting a brand of religion that is, for example, self-righteous, anti-scientific, and putting particular emphasis on the more archaic and brutal Old Testament.

ryanmercer 8y ago
>I don't see catholic christians setting up missions with the primary purpose of proselytizing. Because they did most of it starting in the middle ages and the Age of Discovery. In fact that's mostly what the Franciscans, Dominicans and Jesuits did in California, South America and Asia from 1500ish to well into the late 1800's.
- Udik 8y ago
  Of course, I'm talking about the current situation.
dragonwriter 8y ago
> I don't see catholic christians setting up missions with the primary purpose of proselytizing. To the extent that is true, it is a post-Vatican II reform (and proselytization is still an important function of Catholic missionary work, though the method of more persuasion by example.)
- etrautmann 8y ago
  > persuasion by example A bit of an odd example that the catholic church chooses to set...
PhasmaFelis 8y ago
> I don't see catholic christians setting up missions with the primary purpose of proselytizing. Not in the West. In Africa and Asia, absolutely.

candiodari 8y ago

> the majority of non-proselytizing religions I get that you are much more aware of how it works in Christianity and Islam, but there is no majority of non-proselytizing religions. Such a thing cannot exist in a Nash equilibrium. Think about it. All current faiths (and for that matter, ideologies) have spread much faster than people spread. MUCH faster. So they all proselytized. It is sometimes a little bit irritating to hear people make the wildest claims about quite a few religions. Often about Buddhism people make the most outlandish claims, which presumably includes "non-proselytizing" in your comment. Now please don't think I'm singling out Buddhism here, it's just an example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missionary#Buddhist_missions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missionary#Buddhist_missions

PhasmaFelis 8y ago
You are mistaken. Judaism, at least, does not proselytize. Some branches actively discourage converts, and a few refuse to acknowledge that conversion is even possible for the Gentile-born.
- ryacko 8y ago
  The branch of Judaism that proselytzed and admitted Gentile converts became Christianity.
  - PhasmaFelis 8y ago
    And the rest did not. The point stands.