> But it’s not industrial the ways we are. I find this very unlikely. If you do some computer simulations, you can see that if "life" has minimal amount of fre

> But it’s not industrial the ways we are. I find this very unlikely. If you do some computer simulations, you can see that if "life" has minimal amount of freedom to get modified, it diverges to really interesting objects and exploits a lot of phenomenon happening in its virtual universe. Something as absurdly unlikely and crazy as symbiogenesis occured multiple times in our planet. It's unlikely if there is life out there, it'd stay simple and invisible. My hunch is that life is extremely rare, if it exists at all. We know from computer science that evolution is a very good method to find ever-improving local optimas, so to me it's very likely if life exists, it'll evolve to galactic empires in a few billion years. And thus thanks to Fermi paradox, this convinces me that life must be extremely rare, or the Great Filter must be very effective or intergalactic communication/travel must be extremely expensive.