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We're going to have to disagree that forcing countless companies to review things, many of which were unnecessary, and planting notions is really doing much. It

We're going to have to disagree that forcing countless companies to review things, many of which were unnecessary, and planting notions is really doing much. It actually seems very easy to overstate those benefits. It also seems equally easy to ignore the costs.

tjoff 8y ago
Considering the blatant abuse it was very much necessary. Planting notions is[n't] really doing much?! The idea that more tracking and more data collection has no downsides is how we got here in the first place.
- kodablah 8y ago
  > Considering the blatant abuse it was very much necessary. Disagree > Planting notions is[n't] really doing much?! No, especially considering the scope, cost of compliance, and downsides of government interference. > The idea that more tracking and more data collection has no downsides is how we got here in the first place. This is why I originally wrote "One day I hope people can separate what they want and what they can get". We have to separate intent/reason from reality, and we have to stop assuming all attempts to curb a problem are righteous and justified. There are downsides to collection as FB and others are seeing in countries without these laws. The downsides grow with education. How is that even possible if there are no downsides? And, pretending that false statement was true, I'll take the company tracking and data collection over government interference any day. The former has very minimal, often only theoretical harms, whereas the latter has very known and already realized consequences to business compliance costs, freedom of information costs, and difficulty to roll back when misused.
  - tjoff 8y ago
    > and we have to stop assuming all attempts to curb a problem are righteous and justified Agree, thing is, GDPR isn't something unreasonable. You should already be doing something similar. You should already care about your users. If you have trouble implementing GDPR chances are pretty good that your company are a net loss to society. > The former has very minimal, often only theoretical harms Wow... Yeah, I'm just gonna stop now. Continuing this isn't worth the bandwidth.

tjoff 8y ago

Considering the blatant abuse it was very much necessary. Planting notions is[n't] really doing much?! The idea that more tracking and more data collection has no downsides is how we got here in the first place.

kodablah 8y ago
> Considering the blatant abuse it was very much necessary. Disagree > Planting notions is[n't] really doing much?! No, especially considering the scope, cost of compliance, and downsides of government interference. > The idea that more tracking and more data collection has no downsides is how we got here in the first place. This is why I originally wrote "One day I hope people can separate what they want and what they can get". We have to separate intent/reason from reality, and we have to stop assuming all attempts to curb a problem are righteous and justified. There are downsides to collection as FB and others are seeing in countries without these laws. The downsides grow with education. How is that even possible if there are no downsides? And, pretending that false statement was true, I'll take the company tracking and data collection over government interference any day. The former has very minimal, often only theoretical harms, whereas the latter has very known and already realized consequences to business compliance costs, freedom of information costs, and difficulty to roll back when misused.
- tjoff 8y ago
  > and we have to stop assuming all attempts to curb a problem are righteous and justified Agree, thing is, GDPR isn't something unreasonable. You should already be doing something similar. You should already care about your users. If you have trouble implementing GDPR chances are pretty good that your company are a net loss to society. > The former has very minimal, often only theoretical harms Wow... Yeah, I'm just gonna stop now. Continuing this isn't worth the bandwidth.