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> Well, GDPR is a massive win and has helped tremendously. Disagree, has done little and costed lots. It is a massive loss and has hurt tremendously, especiall

> Well, GDPR is a massive win and has helped tremendously. Disagree, has done little and costed lots. It is a massive loss and has hurt tremendously, especially with the mandate/precedent it gives for passing other ridiculously large scoped internet regulation henceforth.

tjoff 8y ago
Has done little? It has forced countless companies to review what they collect and how the process user data. The effects are seen everywhere even in the offline world. The changes are absolutely monumental and it has successfully planted the notion that handling user data comes with a risk. The benefits can not possibly be overstated. We still have long ways to go but with GDPR there is hope.
- kodablah 8y ago
  We're going to have to disagree that forcing countless companies to review things, many of which were unnecessary, and planting notions is really doing much. It actually seems very easy to overstate those benefits. It also seems equally easy to ignore the costs.
  - tjoff 8y ago
    Considering the blatant abuse it was very much necessary. Planting notions is[n't] really doing much?! The idea that more tracking and more data collection has no downsides is how we got here in the first place.
    - kodablah 8y ago
      > Considering the blatant abuse it was very much necessary. Disagree > Planting notions is[n't] really doing much?! No, especially considering the scope, cost of compliance, and downsides of government interference. > The idea that more tracking and more data collection has no downsides is how we got here in the first place. This is why I originally wrote "One day I hope people can separate what they want and what they can get". We have to separate intent/reason from reality, and we have to stop assuming all attempts to curb a problem are righteous and justified. There are downsides to collection as FB and others are seeing in countries without these laws. The downsides grow with education. How is that even possible if there are no downsides? And, pretending that false statement was true, I'll take the company tracking and data collection over government interference any day. The former has very minimal, often only theoretical harms, whereas the latter has very known and already realized consequences to business compliance costs, freedom of information costs, and difficulty to roll back when misused.
      - tjoff 8y ago
        > and we have to stop assuming all attempts to curb a problem are righteous and justified Agree, thing is, GDPR isn't something unreasonable. You should already be doing something similar. You should already care about your users. If you have trouble implementing GDPR chances are pretty good that your company are a net loss to society. > The former has very minimal, often only theoretical harms Wow... Yeah, I'm just gonna stop now. Continuing this isn't worth the bandwidth.
- joejerryronnie 8y ago
  GDPR has definitely caused companies to reconsider privacy and how they handle user data - which is a very good thing. The problems will arise when a giant bureaucratic organization begins passing very explicit laws and legal judgements on something as fast moving and dynamic as the internet. The unintended consequences will be massive and will almost certainly harm the entities GDPR is trying to protect in the first place.
  - tjoff 8y ago
    Good thing GDPR is more general than that. It applies to the offline world just as much as the internet. It's also mainly common sense. Take care of your customers and don't abuse them and you are 90% done.
paulie_a 8y ago
Plus the vast majority of websites don't need to even adhere to it. They could literally have a pop up that says "we don't care about GDPR".

tjoff 8y ago

Has done little? It has forced countless companies to review what they collect and how the process user data. The effects are seen everywhere even in the offline world. The changes are absolutely monumental and it has successfully planted the notion that handling user data comes with a risk. The benefits can not possibly be overstated. We still have long ways to go but with GDPR there is hope.

kodablah 8y ago
We're going to have to disagree that forcing countless companies to review things, many of which were unnecessary, and planting notions is really doing much. It actually seems very easy to overstate those benefits. It also seems equally easy to ignore the costs.
- tjoff 8y ago
  Considering the blatant abuse it was very much necessary. Planting notions is[n't] really doing much?! The idea that more tracking and more data collection has no downsides is how we got here in the first place.
  - kodablah 8y ago
    > Considering the blatant abuse it was very much necessary. Disagree > Planting notions is[n't] really doing much?! No, especially considering the scope, cost of compliance, and downsides of government interference. > The idea that more tracking and more data collection has no downsides is how we got here in the first place. This is why I originally wrote "One day I hope people can separate what they want and what they can get". We have to separate intent/reason from reality, and we have to stop assuming all attempts to curb a problem are righteous and justified. There are downsides to collection as FB and others are seeing in countries without these laws. The downsides grow with education. How is that even possible if there are no downsides? And, pretending that false statement was true, I'll take the company tracking and data collection over government interference any day. The former has very minimal, often only theoretical harms, whereas the latter has very known and already realized consequences to business compliance costs, freedom of information costs, and difficulty to roll back when misused.
    - tjoff 8y ago
      > and we have to stop assuming all attempts to curb a problem are righteous and justified Agree, thing is, GDPR isn't something unreasonable. You should already be doing something similar. You should already care about your users. If you have trouble implementing GDPR chances are pretty good that your company are a net loss to society. > The former has very minimal, often only theoretical harms Wow... Yeah, I'm just gonna stop now. Continuing this isn't worth the bandwidth.
joejerryronnie 8y ago
GDPR has definitely caused companies to reconsider privacy and how they handle user data - which is a very good thing. The problems will arise when a giant bureaucratic organization begins passing very explicit laws and legal judgements on something as fast moving and dynamic as the internet. The unintended consequences will be massive and will almost certainly harm the entities GDPR is trying to protect in the first place.
- tjoff 8y ago
  Good thing GDPR is more general than that. It applies to the offline world just as much as the internet. It's also mainly common sense. Take care of your customers and don't abuse them and you are 90% done.

paulie_a 8y ago

Plus the vast majority of websites don't need to even adhere to it. They could literally have a pop up that says "we don't care about GDPR".