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> I always saw the intention of the GDPR as legislation [...] Instead [...] The more rulings we have like this, the better. How many examples do we need to rec

> I always saw the intention of the GDPR as legislation [...] Instead [...] The more rulings we have like this, the better. How many examples do we need to recognize that legislation like this on the internet, well intended it may be, doesn't solve the problem? Why do we watch an approach continually fail and tell ourselves that we must continue that approach? Insanity and foolishness. One day I hope people can separate what they want and what they can get, but in the meantime, I guess smaller businesses will just continually fret over regional compliance with unnecessary and unbeneficial societal costs. This ruling isn't going to change much except increase internet balkanization against EU. You shouldn't decry the workarounds, you should accept responsibility for them. (I've talked about it on this board ad nauseam so I won't make a long rant here, but in general there are other approaches or even more practical ones with legislation you can take if government interference in this medium is absolutely required which is debatable. You can't just look at other regulated sectors and magically apply that logic everywhere.)

tjoff 8y ago
Well, GDPR is a massive win and has helped tremendously. That many sites isn't yet compliant is expected but I actually notice that sites do improve the UX (as in, won't try to force you to consent as strongly). Though I didn't opt to read this article because it is behind oath.
- kodablah 8y ago
  > Well, GDPR is a massive win and has helped tremendously. Disagree, has done little and costed lots. It is a massive loss and has hurt tremendously, especially with the mandate/precedent it gives for passing other ridiculously large scoped internet regulation henceforth.
  - tjoff 8y ago
    Has done little? It has forced countless companies to review what they collect and how the process user data. The effects are seen everywhere even in the offline world. The changes are absolutely monumental and it has successfully planted the notion that handling user data comes with a risk. The benefits can not possibly be overstated. We still have long ways to go but with GDPR there is hope.
    - kodablah 8y ago
      We're going to have to disagree that forcing countless companies to review things, many of which were unnecessary, and planting notions is really doing much. It actually seems very easy to overstate those benefits. It also seems equally easy to ignore the costs.
      - tjoff 8y ago
        Considering the blatant abuse it was very much necessary. Planting notions is[n't] really doing much?! The idea that more tracking and more data collection has no downsides is how we got here in the first place.
        kodablah 8y ago
        > Considering the blatant abuse it was very much necessary. Disagree > Planting notions is[n't] really doing much?! No, especially considering the scope, cost of compliance, and downsides of government interference. > The idea that more tracking and more data collection has no downsides is how we got here in the first place. This is why I originally wrote "One day I hope people can separate what they want and what they can get". We have to separate intent/reason from reality, and we have to stop assuming all attempts to curb a problem are righteous and justified. There are downsides to collection as FB and others are seeing in countries without these laws. The downsides grow with education. How is that even possible if there are no downsides? And, pretending that false statement was true, I'll take the company tracking and data collection over government interference any day. The former has very minimal, often only theoretical harms, whereas the latter has very known and already realized consequences to business compliance costs, freedom of information costs, and difficulty to roll back when misused.
        tjoff 8y ago
        > and we have to stop assuming all attempts to curb a problem are righteous and justified Agree, thing is, GDPR isn't something unreasonable. You should already be doing something similar. You should already care about your users. If you have trouble implementing GDPR chances are pretty good that your company are a net loss to society. > The former has very minimal, often only theoretical harms Wow... Yeah, I'm just gonna stop now. Continuing this isn't worth the bandwidth.
  - paulie_a 8y ago
    Plus the vast majority of websites don't need to even adhere to it. They could literally have a pop up that says "we don't care about GDPR".

tjoff 8y ago

Well, GDPR is a massive win and has helped tremendously. That many sites isn't yet compliant is expected but I actually notice that sites do improve the UX (as in, won't try to force you to consent as strongly). Though I didn't opt to read this article because it is behind oath.

kodablah 8y ago
> Well, GDPR is a massive win and has helped tremendously. Disagree, has done little and costed lots. It is a massive loss and has hurt tremendously, especially with the mandate/precedent it gives for passing other ridiculously large scoped internet regulation henceforth.
- tjoff 8y ago
  Has done little? It has forced countless companies to review what they collect and how the process user data. The effects are seen everywhere even in the offline world. The changes are absolutely monumental and it has successfully planted the notion that handling user data comes with a risk. The benefits can not possibly be overstated. We still have long ways to go but with GDPR there is hope.
  - kodablah 8y ago
    We're going to have to disagree that forcing countless companies to review things, many of which were unnecessary, and planting notions is really doing much. It actually seems very easy to overstate those benefits. It also seems equally easy to ignore the costs.
    - tjoff 8y ago
      Considering the blatant abuse it was very much necessary. Planting notions is[n't] really doing much?! The idea that more tracking and more data collection has no downsides is how we got here in the first place.
      - kodablah 8y ago
        > Considering the blatant abuse it was very much necessary. Disagree > Planting notions is[n't] really doing much?! No, especially considering the scope, cost of compliance, and downsides of government interference. > The idea that more tracking and more data collection has no downsides is how we got here in the first place. This is why I originally wrote "One day I hope people can separate what they want and what they can get". We have to separate intent/reason from reality, and we have to stop assuming all attempts to curb a problem are righteous and justified. There are downsides to collection as FB and others are seeing in countries without these laws. The downsides grow with education. How is that even possible if there are no downsides? And, pretending that false statement was true, I'll take the company tracking and data collection over government interference any day. The former has very minimal, often only theoretical harms, whereas the latter has very known and already realized consequences to business compliance costs, freedom of information costs, and difficulty to roll back when misused.
        tjoff 8y ago
        > and we have to stop assuming all attempts to curb a problem are righteous and justified Agree, thing is, GDPR isn't something unreasonable. You should already be doing something similar. You should already care about your users. If you have trouble implementing GDPR chances are pretty good that your company are a net loss to society. > The former has very minimal, often only theoretical harms Wow... Yeah, I'm just gonna stop now. Continuing this isn't worth the bandwidth.
- paulie_a 8y ago
  Plus the vast majority of websites don't need to even adhere to it. They could literally have a pop up that says "we don't care about GDPR".