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> - You can use the included adapter instead of a headphone jack. I do this every day to plug my phone into the car and it's no big deal. If I had a newer car s

> - You can use the included adapter instead of a headphone jack. I do this every day to plug my phone into the car and it's no big deal. If I had a newer car stereo it'd be bluetooth anyway, and wireless headphones are pretty cheap now. Bad wireless headphones are pretty cheap. Even the expensive Apple AirPods can barely keep up with a $20 wired pair of Xiaomi or VSonic IEMs on the quality front. I can go through a pair every 6 months and still come out ahead before the batteries fail in the AirPods.

rusk 8y ago
Not to mention it's yet another thing to forget to charge. I want smart devices that reduce my cognitive load, not increase it.
- shittyadmin 8y ago
  Yeah, that is honestly my main reason, I often forget to charge my watch even, having to go through a bus ride with nothing to stick in my ears would be rather brutal.
  - rusk 8y ago
    > having to go through a bus ride with nothing to stick in my ears For my commuting experience this is nearly a health & safety requirement, like wearing a hard hat on a building site. Not taking any chances.
  - nicoburns 8y ago
    I have an old-school analog watch for similar reasons!
dionidium 8y ago
It's hard for me to imagine a person who has used Apple's AirPods preferring anything else. They are game-changing. They're the Apple product that's most delighted and surprised me since I first got an iPhone. I've owned and used other Bluetooth headphones. There's no comparison.
- rusk 8y ago
  I hear ya bud ... but it would be great if they didn't result in such an inconvenience for everybody else.
- shittyadmin 8y ago
  I looked at the objective sound quality data on them and well, it's less than positive, I'm used to Sennheiser HD650s at home, which score quite well on such metrics, so I'm quite doubtful I'd like them much. My first and only experience with Apple products was not a good one and I don't intend to repeat it. Macbook - ran extremely hot, many of the supposedly amazing Apple UIs were trash (Alt+O to open a file? Why can't I maximize a window like a normal person? How about the need to use 3rd party tools to do Super+Left/Super+Right that works out of the box on Windows and KDE), battery is glued in with some of the strongest glue I've ever seen so when I had to replace it after 2 years it was not a fun experience. I did learn lipo cells can take far more abuse than I expected though. I wound up running Windows on it and eventually just deleting the OS X partition. You've provided no reasons except "There's no comparison", "They are game-changing" - shit like that is why I don't buy much Apple stuff. It's hype that fails to deliver.
  - dionidium 8y ago
    The reason is that they've completely fixed Bluetooth. They just work. My Bluetooth mouse sometimes fails to connect. The Bluetooth in my old car was always flaky. The Bluetooth in my non-Apple headphones sometimes connects and sometimes refuses. I don't own a Bluetooth device that works like the Airpods do. The Airpods always just work. They've completely integrated it. You open the case and you see that they've connected with a nice image right on screen. You want to switch them from your phone to your iPad? You select them on the iPad and they just connect. Every single time. Without exception. No other Bluetooth device even enters into the conversation for me until they just work like the Airpods do. Nothing outweighs that for me. Sound quality doesn't. Shape or comfort in-ear doesn't outweigh it. The price of entry is that you have to make the Bluetooth just work. The reason Apple gets the kind of praise that you seem to despise is that they figure out how to make things just work. And for a certain type of customer, that outweighs literally any other concern. You can respond all day about this spec or that spec or this or that performance test or "objective sound quality data." But it has to just work.

rusk 8y ago

Not to mention it's yet another thing to forget to charge. I want smart devices that reduce my cognitive load, not increase it.

shittyadmin 8y ago
Yeah, that is honestly my main reason, I often forget to charge my watch even, having to go through a bus ride with nothing to stick in my ears would be rather brutal.
- rusk 8y ago
  > having to go through a bus ride with nothing to stick in my ears For my commuting experience this is nearly a health & safety requirement, like wearing a hard hat on a building site. Not taking any chances.
- nicoburns 8y ago
  I have an old-school analog watch for similar reasons!

dionidium 8y ago

It's hard for me to imagine a person who has used Apple's AirPods preferring anything else. They are game-changing. They're the Apple product that's most delighted and surprised me since I first got an iPhone. I've owned and used other Bluetooth headphones. There's no comparison.

rusk 8y ago
I hear ya bud ... but it would be great if they didn't result in such an inconvenience for everybody else.
shittyadmin 8y ago
I looked at the objective sound quality data on them and well, it's less than positive, I'm used to Sennheiser HD650s at home, which score quite well on such metrics, so I'm quite doubtful I'd like them much. My first and only experience with Apple products was not a good one and I don't intend to repeat it. Macbook - ran extremely hot, many of the supposedly amazing Apple UIs were trash (Alt+O to open a file? Why can't I maximize a window like a normal person? How about the need to use 3rd party tools to do Super+Left/Super+Right that works out of the box on Windows and KDE), battery is glued in with some of the strongest glue I've ever seen so when I had to replace it after 2 years it was not a fun experience. I did learn lipo cells can take far more abuse than I expected though. I wound up running Windows on it and eventually just deleting the OS X partition. You've provided no reasons except "There's no comparison", "They are game-changing" - shit like that is why I don't buy much Apple stuff. It's hype that fails to deliver.
- dionidium 8y ago
  The reason is that they've completely fixed Bluetooth. They just work. My Bluetooth mouse sometimes fails to connect. The Bluetooth in my old car was always flaky. The Bluetooth in my non-Apple headphones sometimes connects and sometimes refuses. I don't own a Bluetooth device that works like the Airpods do. The Airpods always just work. They've completely integrated it. You open the case and you see that they've connected with a nice image right on screen. You want to switch them from your phone to your iPad? You select them on the iPad and they just connect. Every single time. Without exception. No other Bluetooth device even enters into the conversation for me until they just work like the Airpods do. Nothing outweighs that for me. Sound quality doesn't. Shape or comfort in-ear doesn't outweigh it. The price of entry is that you have to make the Bluetooth just work. The reason Apple gets the kind of praise that you seem to despise is that they figure out how to make things just work. And for a certain type of customer, that outweighs literally any other concern. You can respond all day about this spec or that spec or this or that performance test or "objective sound quality data." But it has to just work.