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One has to be extra careful with distinguishing correlation from causation. For anyone in top of politics they are likely going to be connected to people who a

One has to be extra careful with distinguishing correlation from causation. For anyone in top of politics they are likely going to be connected to people who are top in either corporations or organisations. Theresa May isn't a dictator and can't just decide what she wants to without being in agreement with the rest of her politicians. Insinuating that there is some causational relationship here is just as much part of the problem. That said, there definitely are cases where the relationship seems very suspicious, but it's not a rule and I wish people would be more careful to prove their claims rather than just putting them out there. But maybe I am missing something here.

claudiawerner 8y ago
>Theresa May isn't a dictator and can't just decide what she wants to without being in agreement with the rest of her politicians. This is true, to the extent where I wish people would stop individualizing problems that are obviously endemic to the entire system. The damage caused by individual conspiracies isolated in history is negligible to the scale of systemic issues in modern political economy. Applying some abstract thinking would help us understand that May isn't a dictator, but capital is.
- profalseidol 8y ago
  What do you think of going for worker-owned-and-directed-cooperatives replacing traditional corporations as a first step in combating capitalism? I think the idea is, to distribute power to the people. These cooperatives would generally make decisions that benefit the majority. Unlike what we have today where mega corporations (dictated by a handful few) keep doing whatever they can for 'growth' even if that means destroying people's lives and our planet.
zipwitch 8y ago
You are right that "dictatorship" or "conspiracy" are the wrong ways to look at this sort of corrupting influence. The actuality is far more pernicious - it doesn't take Bond-villain plotting, just people making decisions that are shaded by their own social connections. They don't need to be doing it deliberately or conciously, but even indirect connections to, for example, the defense industry or certain players in the finance industry will lead to decisions that benefit those to whom the decider is biased.

claudiawerner 8y ago

>Theresa May isn't a dictator and can't just decide what she wants to without being in agreement with the rest of her politicians. This is true, to the extent where I wish people would stop individualizing problems that are obviously endemic to the entire system. The damage caused by individual conspiracies isolated in history is negligible to the scale of systemic issues in modern political economy. Applying some abstract thinking would help us understand that May isn't a dictator, but capital is.

profalseidol 8y ago
What do you think of going for worker-owned-and-directed-cooperatives replacing traditional corporations as a first step in combating capitalism? I think the idea is, to distribute power to the people. These cooperatives would generally make decisions that benefit the majority. Unlike what we have today where mega corporations (dictated by a handful few) keep doing whatever they can for 'growth' even if that means destroying people's lives and our planet.

zipwitch 8y ago

You are right that "dictatorship" or "conspiracy" are the wrong ways to look at this sort of corrupting influence. The actuality is far more pernicious - it doesn't take Bond-villain plotting, just people making decisions that are shaded by their own social connections. They don't need to be doing it deliberately or conciously, but even indirect connections to, for example, the defense industry or certain players in the finance industry will lead to decisions that benefit those to whom the decider is biased.