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I'm surprised that Xu didn't simply leave Hong Kong for China. I doubt China would be as keen to extradite one of its citizens. Was Xu simply underestimating

I'm surprised that Xu didn't simply leave Hong Kong for China. I doubt China would be as keen to extradite one of its citizens. Was Xu simply underestimating PdeP's wrath, or did he have more faith in the UK legal system than warranted?

baybal2 8y ago
>I doubt China would be as keen to extradite one of its citizens. To the effect, it simply doesn't, even with few countries with witch it has extradition treaties
throwaway55721 8y ago
This makes me think he really was innocent and wanted to resolve the issue properly. Otherwise, for a smart guy, he wouldn’t be very smart.
- raverbashing 8y ago
  > Otherwise, for a smart guy, he wouldn’t be very smart. This is the case in a lot of situations. Smartest math guy thinks legal system works on logic and precision. They are wrong.
FabHK 8y ago
> The following day, Xu returned to the airport and tried to fly to the mainland. He was told he couldn’t leave. Are you suggesting he depart HK illegally and make his way into China? I assume that happens, but not sure how I'd go about it.
- kkarakk 8y ago
  getting onto a train is trivial if you're a chinese citizen
  - FabHK 8y ago
    You still need to exit HK first, right - it's the same immigration department/check as at the airport. (And the West Kowloon railway station with mainland border checks inside HK did not exist back in 2014 in that form.)
    - cauldron 8y ago
      He could just walk past to Shenzhen, but I'm not sure that would much different in this case. If he realy want to and have money, pay to be smuggled through Vietnam, or Laos is fairly easy, locals there charge like 50 rmb to motorcycle you through the border jungle. Or maybe pledge allegience to the party on TV shows like some Chinese with criminal records overseas, for example this guy went on Chinese TV to recount how he as an innocent patriotic citizen was persecuted by the vicious American. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/03/nyregion/03chinese.html https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/03/nyregion/03chinese.html
      - FabHK 8y ago
        Sorry, I'm confused, and I must admit that I haven't tried getting into China illegally (from Hong Kong or anywhere else for that matter), so I might be missing something. I understand that HK and China share a land border. But AFAIK that is not a border you can just walk over - there's a river and a fence and guards and all. You can cross the border at designated border crossings, by foot or train, but you will have to go through HK immigration to leave HK and then mainland immigration to enter China. To go from HK to Vietnam or Laos, you'd have to take a plane from HK, in which case you also have to go through HK immigration to leave HK. It remains my impression that HK immigration, which one has to go through when departing HK (at the airport or the land border or the train to China or, before someone mentions that, the ferries to mainland or Macau), did not let him leave HK. (As for pledging allegiance, again, the problem for that particular Chinese citizen was not entering China, the problem was leaving HK.) Thus, I remain puzzled by the suggestion that he "just walk past to Shenzhen" or "get on a train". Swim over, sure, but walk or take a train?

baybal2 8y ago

>I doubt China would be as keen to extradite one of its citizens. To the effect, it simply doesn't, even with few countries with witch it has extradition treaties

throwaway55721 8y ago

This makes me think he really was innocent and wanted to resolve the issue properly. Otherwise, for a smart guy, he wouldn’t be very smart.

raverbashing 8y ago
> Otherwise, for a smart guy, he wouldn’t be very smart. This is the case in a lot of situations. Smartest math guy thinks legal system works on logic and precision. They are wrong.

FabHK 8y ago

> The following day, Xu returned to the airport and tried to fly to the mainland. He was told he couldn’t leave. Are you suggesting he depart HK illegally and make his way into China? I assume that happens, but not sure how I'd go about it.

kkarakk 8y ago
getting onto a train is trivial if you're a chinese citizen
- FabHK 8y ago
  You still need to exit HK first, right - it's the same immigration department/check as at the airport. (And the West Kowloon railway station with mainland border checks inside HK did not exist back in 2014 in that form.)
  - cauldron 8y ago
    He could just walk past to Shenzhen, but I'm not sure that would much different in this case. If he realy want to and have money, pay to be smuggled through Vietnam, or Laos is fairly easy, locals there charge like 50 rmb to motorcycle you through the border jungle. Or maybe pledge allegience to the party on TV shows like some Chinese with criminal records overseas, for example this guy went on Chinese TV to recount how he as an innocent patriotic citizen was persecuted by the vicious American. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/03/nyregion/03chinese.html https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/03/nyregion/03chinese.html
    - FabHK 8y ago
      Sorry, I'm confused, and I must admit that I haven't tried getting into China illegally (from Hong Kong or anywhere else for that matter), so I might be missing something. I understand that HK and China share a land border. But AFAIK that is not a border you can just walk over - there's a river and a fence and guards and all. You can cross the border at designated border crossings, by foot or train, but you will have to go through HK immigration to leave HK and then mainland immigration to enter China. To go from HK to Vietnam or Laos, you'd have to take a plane from HK, in which case you also have to go through HK immigration to leave HK. It remains my impression that HK immigration, which one has to go through when departing HK (at the airport or the land border or the train to China or, before someone mentions that, the ferries to mainland or Macau), did not let him leave HK. (As for pledging allegiance, again, the problem for that particular Chinese citizen was not entering China, the problem was leaving HK.) Thus, I remain puzzled by the suggestion that he "just walk past to Shenzhen" or "get on a train". Swim over, sure, but walk or take a train?