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It sounds like the police suspected something beyond what she was actually doing. I mean, I'm aware of "the TV drama cliche of police nabbing suspects in hot

It sounds like the police suspected something beyond what she was actually doing. I mean, I'm aware of "the TV drama cliche of police nabbing suspects in hotel rooms" - but in this they just searched the rooms of her hotel room - including the window ledge - but they didn't confiscate her photos or search her belongings? It seems more like they were looking for a specific person, instead of trying to intimidate directly. I'm aware of how intimidating this must have been, but they didn't say things like "show us the photos you took", or "don't discuss what you saw or else", or anything like that. She was already going to be leaving the town... Or did they maybe want to catch her in the act of having sex with someone so they could blackmail her? There's a strong implication that she suspected something else nefarious was being planned, which is why she kept turning down "too obvious" offers of exactly what she was in town for- but based on the behavior of the police who presumably did whatever they intended to do, it's not clear to me exactly what nefarious plan she wound up avoiding. All in all, this is more confusing to me than anything else.

dd36 8y ago
Intimidation.
- knodi123 8y ago
  but it was local police, right? And it was entirely by implication? Wouldn't that be like a new zealander visiting the LA and doing something the Bloods don't like, and so the bloods barge into his hotel room on the night before he returns to new zealand and says "hey is anybody else here"? Like, what's the intimidation? He's about to be beyond their reach, and they didn't even say anything explicitly. If it's intimidation, it's both lame, ham handed, and ineffective. An explanation that doesn't fit your opponent's behavior COULD still be correct, but maybe there's a better explanation - I don't know.
  - uyghur 8y ago
    All police in China are political.
  - jarvl 8y ago
    The intimidation is the police demonstrating their ability to intrude in her hotel room as they please. If the police wanted to take anything or hurt her, they could. They want her to relive that moment any time she performs an investigation the state may not agree with.
    - Jwarder 8y ago
      Any intimidation might also be aimed at potential informants. A journalist might see this action as a sign to dig in deeper, but an informant might see this as proof that the local authorities will know if you try to spill the beans.
  - ceejayoz 8y ago
    "We could've killed you, don't come back here" is a pretty effective intimidation tactic.
  - hummingurban 8y ago
    your whatboutism to compare a street gang to justify the Chinese intimidation. That's a horrible comparison. A street gang actually don't touch civilians because it attracts negative attention and feud with other Crips members. The Chinese leadership will kill as many civilians it needs because it is the only gang in town. Unchecked power at the hands of the few results in catastrophic consequences for the citizens. I'm sure they've learned their lesson from Cultural Revolution but unable to apply those lessons because those checks and balances, once again, is unavailable because Xi decided he wants to be like Putin. My only immediate concern is for the people of China. If Russia is a model of what a nuclear armed dictator with an inferiority complex, there's no limit to what Xi can do to his country. He's already half way there, destroying the economy and the rivals to consolidate power. He doesn't care about the well being or the economy of the country. If he did, his actions would show otherwise.
  - eiaoa 8y ago
    > Wouldn't that be like a new zealander visiting the LA and doing something the Bloods don't like, and so the bloods barge into his hotel room on the night before he returns to new zealand and says "hey is anybody else here"? Like, what's the intimidation? He's about to be beyond their reach, and they didn't even say anything explicitly. > If it's intimidation, it's both lame, ham handed, and ineffective. The intimidation is that they've shown interest in her and that they can get to her. It appears that she may have been a Chinese citizen (her account is translated), and Chinese people who annoy government officials in China may eventually be disappear into prison. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/magazine/the-lonely-crusade-of-chinas-human-rights-lawyers.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/magazine/the-lonely-crusa...
danielvf 8y ago
My guess is that they thought she had an insider giving her tips / interviews, and they were trying to catch this person. Though the the surveillance and offers of transportation/"help" throughout the article appear to be about her, I think the real desire was to see who it was that she talked to and what they said.
eiaoa 8y ago
> It seems more like they were looking for a specific person, instead of trying to intimidate directly. That idea doesn't make any sense. They didn't search other rooms, and this person was a journalist that was covering a story that's more than likely embarrassing to one of their superiors. It seems like they wanted to threaten and intimidate her in a deniable way. Their excuse was flimsy by design.
justin66 8y ago
Why do you feel the need to manufacture theories that are unsupported by facts when the reality, intimidation by police, is bad enough?
- knodi123 8y ago
  I'm trying to manufacture a theory that better fits all the facts. Intimidation is a simple theory, and acceptable as a fallback, but if that's all that was going on, then it raises some questions.
  - eiaoa 8y ago
    > I'm trying to manufacture a theory that better fits all the facts. Intimidation is a simple theory, and acceptable as a fallback, but if that's all that was going on, then it raises some questions. You definitely seem like you're trying to manufacture a theory, but nothing you've written "better fits all the facts." At best, I think you're operating under a set of faulty assumptions that's causing you to mistakenly reject most likely explanation.

dd36 8y ago

Intimidation.

knodi123 8y ago
but it was local police, right? And it was entirely by implication? Wouldn't that be like a new zealander visiting the LA and doing something the Bloods don't like, and so the bloods barge into his hotel room on the night before he returns to new zealand and says "hey is anybody else here"? Like, what's the intimidation? He's about to be beyond their reach, and they didn't even say anything explicitly. If it's intimidation, it's both lame, ham handed, and ineffective. An explanation that doesn't fit your opponent's behavior COULD still be correct, but maybe there's a better explanation - I don't know.
- uyghur 8y ago
  All police in China are political.
- jarvl 8y ago
  The intimidation is the police demonstrating their ability to intrude in her hotel room as they please. If the police wanted to take anything or hurt her, they could. They want her to relive that moment any time she performs an investigation the state may not agree with.
  - Jwarder 8y ago
    Any intimidation might also be aimed at potential informants. A journalist might see this action as a sign to dig in deeper, but an informant might see this as proof that the local authorities will know if you try to spill the beans.
- ceejayoz 8y ago
  "We could've killed you, don't come back here" is a pretty effective intimidation tactic.
- hummingurban 8y ago
  your whatboutism to compare a street gang to justify the Chinese intimidation. That's a horrible comparison. A street gang actually don't touch civilians because it attracts negative attention and feud with other Crips members. The Chinese leadership will kill as many civilians it needs because it is the only gang in town. Unchecked power at the hands of the few results in catastrophic consequences for the citizens. I'm sure they've learned their lesson from Cultural Revolution but unable to apply those lessons because those checks and balances, once again, is unavailable because Xi decided he wants to be like Putin. My only immediate concern is for the people of China. If Russia is a model of what a nuclear armed dictator with an inferiority complex, there's no limit to what Xi can do to his country. He's already half way there, destroying the economy and the rivals to consolidate power. He doesn't care about the well being or the economy of the country. If he did, his actions would show otherwise.
- eiaoa 8y ago
  > Wouldn't that be like a new zealander visiting the LA and doing something the Bloods don't like, and so the bloods barge into his hotel room on the night before he returns to new zealand and says "hey is anybody else here"? Like, what's the intimidation? He's about to be beyond their reach, and they didn't even say anything explicitly. > If it's intimidation, it's both lame, ham handed, and ineffective. The intimidation is that they've shown interest in her and that they can get to her. It appears that she may have been a Chinese citizen (her account is translated), and Chinese people who annoy government officials in China may eventually be disappear into prison. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/magazine/the-lonely-crusade-of-chinas-human-rights-lawyers.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/magazine/the-lonely-crusa...

danielvf 8y ago

My guess is that they thought she had an insider giving her tips / interviews, and they were trying to catch this person. Though the the surveillance and offers of transportation/"help" throughout the article appear to be about her, I think the real desire was to see who it was that she talked to and what they said.

eiaoa 8y ago

> It seems more like they were looking for a specific person, instead of trying to intimidate directly. That idea doesn't make any sense. They didn't search other rooms, and this person was a journalist that was covering a story that's more than likely embarrassing to one of their superiors. It seems like they wanted to threaten and intimidate her in a deniable way. Their excuse was flimsy by design.

justin66 8y ago

Why do you feel the need to manufacture theories that are unsupported by facts when the reality, intimidation by police, is bad enough?

knodi123 8y ago
I'm trying to manufacture a theory that better fits all the facts. Intimidation is a simple theory, and acceptable as a fallback, but if that's all that was going on, then it raises some questions.
- eiaoa 8y ago
  > I'm trying to manufacture a theory that better fits all the facts. Intimidation is a simple theory, and acceptable as a fallback, but if that's all that was going on, then it raises some questions. You definitely seem like you're trying to manufacture a theory, but nothing you've written "better fits all the facts." At best, I think you're operating under a set of faulty assumptions that's causing you to mistakenly reject most likely explanation.