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Sousveillance
- ahartmetz 8y agoThis may make sense in specific situations, but my favorite thing about it is the wordplay and what it points out about surveillance - surveillance is the more powerful watching the less powerful.
- gugagore 8y agoI don't think "sur-" necessarily means "more power". Here's a bunch of sur-prefixed words in French: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:French_words_prefixed_with_sur- https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:French_words_prefixe... My favorite so far on that list "surbooker"--"to overbook"
- bohinjc 8y agowell, "sur-" in french means a lot of things, alone or as a prefix : on, over, more, about, upon, onto, against, ... So I'm pretty sure there is a pun intended here. About "surbooker", funny thing is that "booker" is literally the english verb converted to french verb (hence the -er suffix). Even if it is well used in modern french, it still is an anglicism.
- joshklein 8y agoThe etymology of surveillance is closer to “watch over”, as if from above. The literal “sur” prefix could be “over” or “on” or “upon” when translated to English, so it implies an above-ness. The “sous” prefix is the logical opposite, usually translating to “below” or “under” or “beneath”, though it can be used to mean “within”.
- tw1010 8y agoWhat other strategies, like this one, have been invented which feels like a more offensive counterforce against the slow surveillance tide, in contrast to the more common defensive strategies that just tries to keep one step ahead of the arms race (e.g. better encryption)?
- agumonkey 8y agoThere's a french guy, part of an activist group that likes to invent passive trolling strategies to fight bad groups (lobbies, governments). For instance they robbed some stupid furnitures from a bank that just avoided some fraud scandal so they start to sue the group. A big company starting a lawsuit to get some chair was super negative to their image. I'll try to find his name again.
- fredley 8y agoThat reminds me of the group that closed a valve on an oil pipeline[1]. The aim was to bring the case to trial, so that they could claim that they were acting legally, as the alternative (letting the pipeline continue to operate) was a direct threat to them, by its contribution to climate change. The case got thrown out[2], because the prosecution couldn't provide enough evidence that the shutters off had done any damage, which sets the stage for a second attempt... 1: https://www.wired.com/story/monkeywrenching-vandals-are-reinventing-climate-activism/ https://www.wired.com/story/monkeywrenching-vandals-are-rein... 2: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/09/climate-change-activists-necessity-defense-charges-dropped https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/09/climate-...
- maeln 8y agoIt's the association Attac : https://france.attac.org/agenda/article/proces-d-une-militante-d-attac-suite-a-une-action-de-fauchage-de-chaises https://france.attac.org/agenda/article/proces-d-une-militan... They often do this kind of operations. See there recent operation about Apple not paying taxes : https://www.macg.co/aapl/2018/11/attac-redecore-lapple-store-des-champs-elysees-maj-104261 https://www.macg.co/aapl/2018/11/attac-redecore-lapple-store... Attac means: Association pour la taxation des transactions financières et pour l'action citoyenne (Association for the taxation of financial transaction and for citizen/civil action)
- fearai 8y agoIsn't this just a fancy name for "reverse" surveillance?
- michaelmior 8y agoFrom the Wikipedia article > Inverse surveillance is a subset of sousveillance with a particular emphasis on the "watchful vigilance from underneath...
- Jtsummers 8y agoNo. Sousveillance is possible without intent to observe the surveillance mechanisms in place. Go to a festival, these days, with the plethora of cameras (on phones or standalone, video or still) and people are participating in sousveillance (though likely not deliberately or recognizing it as such). They aren't watching the police or other observers. They're just particpating and recording the event itself.
- fearai 8y agocool. seems very ambiguous and watered down. without intent seems like it should just be called "watching" or "recording". also does it stop being called "Sousveillance" if done on a plane? or hiking above a certain altitude? we are very interested in pulling data from "accidental" surveillance.
- type0 8y ago> it should just be called "watching" or "recording". also does it stop being called "Sousveillance" if done on a plane? or hiking above a certain altitude? or if it's done with a drone it's almost terrorism as many politicians would like you to believe. The concept of sousveilance can never be implemented in any meaningful democratic way on a day to day life because individuals are always subordinate to the state.
- callesgg 8y agoI have been looking for a lifeloging camera for a while. But i can't find anything that is discrete enogh. The n"arative clip" looked discrete. But it is of the market. Just want something that takes picture every 20 min's or so. So that i can review/analyze some of my daily behaviors in hindsight.
- chriscappuccio 8y agoUbiquiti made the ultimate sousveillance camera, the Front Row.
- sneak 8y agoHave you perhaps considered that recording people unobtrusively without their consent may be unethical or, at the minimum, rude?
- kungtotte 8y agoAnd depending on where you are in the world: illegal.
- moftz 8y agoAt least in the US, you can record anything you want in public. There are some limits for things you see on private property from a public area (like using a telephoto lens for snapping pics of someone's bedroom) but if someone is in public, they have no right to privacy.
- jmngomes 8y agoThat's (fortunately) not the case everywhere: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Country_specific_consent_requirements https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Country_specific_...
- kungtotte 8y ago194 out of 195 countries in the world aren't the United States of America and 7.4 billion people out of 7.7 billion live outside of the US.
- sbhn 8y agoSousveillance is illegal on London’s TFL network. They show adverts on the screens asking you to report anybody doing it.
- brainwad 8y agoOf course, only those blessed with good vision and memory should be able to have a visual record of their life :/ I can't wait for a chip that records everything I ever see so that I don't have to rely on flaky human memory.
- timoth 8y agoCould be a double-edged sword. Have you seen Black Mirror -- first series, episode 3?
- styfle 8y agoAlso see The Circle[1] movie for a glimpse into a reality where everything is recorded. [1]: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4287320/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4287320/
- toss1 8y agoAlso, 'The Final Cut', by Omar Naim, w/ Robin Williams, highlights some interesting issues with implants recording everything: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364343/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364343/
- scbrg 8y agoTFL apparently meaning "Transport for London," in case I'm not the only person this wasn't obvious to.
- dwb 8y agoReally? I've not seen these. Am I just being unobservant?
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- angel_j 8y agoDr. Seussveillance
- ErikAugust 8y agoI've began experimenting with "sousveillance" - using two commodity pieces of hardware: - A GoPro Hero5 Session - which is a ~2 inch cube that shoots 4K: which I use for running, bicycling for transportation, and as a dash cam. The stabilization features works decently. ~$150. - An iON SnapCam - https://www.amazon.com/iON-Camera-SnapCam-Wearable-Bluetooth/dp/B012X08L0A https://www.amazon.com/iON-Camera-SnapCam-Wearable-Bluetooth... If you can find a good way of attaching this to yourself, it's not too bad. Fairly* low profile - about 2 inches by half inch. It can be purchased for ~$25. Some things I am working to overcome is really on the "cloud" and "streaming" sides, as I feel it defeats the purpose to stream or upload to policed platforms like YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitch, etc.
- eth0up 8y agoI've found the Mobius B action cam useful and affordable for general sousveillance. It's a primitive interface, but can be configured via a text file across any platform. I presently have mine configured as a motion cam, which is sensitive enough to effectively use as a standard camera too. Vids and pics can be viewed through mini usb on a phone or pc. The B has a wide angle lens and the text file has an option for narrow view. I often use it as a rear facing dashcam when someone gets too aggressive, eg tailgating, etc. For home I use a webcam and the Motion program, which works quite well for me. Lots of options in the Motion config file.
- throwaway675309 8y agoIf the iON could sync/backup the images to your phone at regular intervals, maybe something like IFTTT could be used in conjunction to upload the images to a private server...
- tristor 8y agoDoes anyone remember Hasan Elahi, profiled in Wired back in 2007? https://web.archive.org/web/20130913190505/http://www.wired.com/techbiz/people/magazine/15-06/ps_transparency https://web.archive.org/web/20130913190505/http://www.wired.... I wonder what every happened to his Sousveillance project? His map still updates, but I haven't seen any of his other post feeds updated in awhile. Was what I immediately thought of and it was conveniently also referenced in the linked Wikipedia article.
- cookingrobot 8y agoThe researcher who coined the phrase, Steve Mann, has been working on wearable computing since the 80s. In any picture I’ve seen of him over the years he’s had some kind of camera on his face. He also invented the hdr image merging algorithm. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Mann https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Mann
- canada_dry 8y agoSteve is a local geek hero in Toronto. He's been at this game for a long time!
- Nicksil 8y agoNon-mobile link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Mann https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Mann
- moolcool 8y agoThis reminds me of the old YouTube art project "Surveillance Camera Man". Since taken off YouTube, but you can still find mirrors. https://archive.org/details/SurveillanceCameraMan18 https://archive.org/details/SurveillanceCameraMan18
- anonymfus 8y agoAnd me this reminds how I filmed anti corruption protest in Russia in 2017 and was detained by a police for nothing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQmuNI4CEGk&t=8435 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQmuNI4CEGk&t=8435 (since 2:20:35). Video ends when police officer asks me to stop filming because of a rule about not filming in meat wagons that he just invented, and I agree. Later outside of the meat wagon he told me to delete a video. I asked him if I understood correctly that my recording was illegal action and he wanted me to destroy an evidence of that illegal action. Immediately four other policemen lifted me up and carried in their hands to the police station, put me in separate room, confiscated my phone and documents, and then he punched me in the kidneys. That room apparently was the only one in a police station without surveillance cameras. I spend the rest of the day in a special unventilated cage covered with lists of acrylic glass together with a guy who later was carried away by an ambulance because there was not enough air for two people in the cage. Police hard reset my phone but probably because they were idiots and I use Windows Phone a microSD card with all my video was left intact. I was fined by 1000₽ by Russian court which watched the video I recorded and found not enough evidence of me being innocent on the base of the reports written by completely different police officers instead of these I filmed detaining me. The court refused to call witnesses. The same happened during appellation.
- vokep 8y agoWhen those vids were first made I thought it wasn't very good at making a point because, a guy walking up to you with a camera and just sitting there with it is obviously quite creepy. But why is it creepy?...because I don't know what he'll do with that video and it just establishes a weird dynamic to the situation. But then why am I okay with a camera in the ceiling? I suppose the alternative would be actual eyes, say if a convenience store had the budget for that, an equivalent to their ceiling-cams would be a security guys watching you and everyone else as they shop.
- jasonbarrah 8y agoI was almost certain that this article was about my WIFI enabled Sous Vide cooker being hacked. Stay away from my cooking times and trade secrets China! These ribs are fall off the bone tender!
- misterbwong 8y agoAny way you could share your domestic US trade secret recipe? I promise I won't leak it to China.
- crtasm 8y agoI went to a conference on this topic in Denmark some years ago http://digitalurbanliving.projects.cavi.au.dk/www.digitalurbanliving.dk/sousveillance/index-2.html http://digitalurbanliving.projects.cavi.au.dk/www.digitalurb...
- throwaway675309 8y agoI would love for somebody to combine Narrative's 8+ hour time-lapse lifelogging photos with the ability to be linked to your phone which would continuously upload the photos to a selected FTP server. That way if the device is confiscated or destroyed by law enforcement, you'd still have a record.
- newnewpdro 8y agoIt surprised me to not find a single instance of "smartphone" or "smart phone" in that entire article. Arguably every smartphone in the world participates unwittingly in a global sousveillance network, they don't even have lens covers or camera-active lights, while running heaps of privileged software beyond control of the owners. Every time I find myself in a cafe, restaurant, or other populated public space it can be rather disturbing to count the number of networked cameras and microphones within my line of sight at any given moment thanks to this development.
- stcredzero 8y agoOverly centralized control of military power, economic power, and media distribution power are often bad and lead to corruption, while the distribution of the above generally lead to widespread benefit to civilization and society. The biggest bang for the buck for benefit to the common man would be through the inversion of "Trusted Execution" or DRM technologies to enforce privacy policies on corporations and large organizations on behalf of the public. It will never happen, because the general public, and especially the tech portion of it, are emotionally conditioned against such technology. However, there are many mechanisms like this, which show this kind of asymmetry with regards to centralized power. Some corporations have already taken a step in this direction, by giving up access to encryption keys and the ability to read their user's data. It would just be one step further for a corporation to cede control of privacy policy implementation on behalf of its customers by running code implementing those policies on trusted execution engines. This way, users will be able to revoke access to their data from corporations and large organizations. The public will never go for this, however, because they're already conditioned against such technologies from its application by large organizations against the interests of individuals.
- jacobolus 8y agoDoes distribution of military power really lead to public benefit? My impression is that e.g. widespread distribution of small arms to local gangs, paramilitary mercenaries, etc. generally just leads to a lot of small scale conflict and death. Look at any of the most violent parts of the world, and they are generally awash with distributed military power. Distribution of media power also seems like a mixed bag, especially if media consumers have poor media literacy. Social media (and the internet more generally) in the past few years gave pretty well any publisher the same direct-to-consumer distribution channel, and the result was many readers believing in nonsensical conspiracy theories because they couldn’t distinguish them from reputable news.
- stcredzero 8y agoDoes distribution of military power really lead to public benefit? Concentration in the wrong hands is the problem. distribution of small arms to local gangs, paramilitary mercenaries The local gangs and paramilitaries in those situations represent local concentrations of power, not disbursement. Local warlords rule because they are armed in particular. If they didn't have an advantage over the general populace, they wouldn't be ruling it. Distribution of media power also seems like a mixed bag, especially if media consumers have poor media literacy. There were periods of time in the US when there were tons of hyper partisan local newspapers. History itself is a mixed bag. However, things often work out, if you give power to the public.
- david_at 8y agohttps://www.grassland.network/ https://www.grassland.network/