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It's teasing us. What is the refutation?

by lsd5you 8y ago

Judgmentality 8y ago
What makes you think Idiocracy is coming true?
- wycs 8y ago
  http://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/114/5/E727.full.pdf http://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/114/5/E727.full.pdf
- duderific 8y ago
  "In “Idiocracy,” the secretary of state is sponsored by Carl’s Jr., a company whose chairman very nearly became our current secretary of labor. In 2505, the Oval Office is occupied by an ex-wrestler and porn star named Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho; our president has been on the business end of a Stone Cold Stunner and once appeared in a nonpornographic segment of an otherwise soft-core Playboy VHS tape, dumping sparkling wine onto a limousine. His name is a brand name, too." [1] [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/magazine/mike-judge-the-bard-of-suck.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/magazine/mike-judge-the-b...
  - scarejunba 8y ago
    This is a level of superficial similarity that I could use to say Judge Dredd is coming true.
  - anon2775 8y ago
    Brawndo: The Thirst Mutilator!
- anon2775 8y ago
  Maybe you're so rich that you're insulated from reality, but we have human beings living on the sides of freeway on-ramps and a POTUS that hasn't read the Constitution or understand that an executive order is more-or-less a wish.
tootie 8y ago
The Flynn Effect. People aren't getting more ignorant, we're becoming more aware of our ignorance. Of all the foolishness and idiocy in the world, if you look at human history it's always been worse than now.
- lsd5you 8y ago
  Sure but the Flynn effect is just something measured and could well just be a 'low hanging fruit' environmental gains that will/already have run out.
  - Apocryphon 8y ago
    What mythical better times are Idiocracy theory proponents even mourning? When have literacy rates and educational attainment for the masses ever been better than the present? As a species, we still have a long way to go before the low hanging fruit gains are realized.
    - antisthenes 8y ago
      To suggest that basic literacy and educational attainment are somehow indicative of above average intelligence or the ability to understand complex and abstract ideas is a bit of a stretch. With grade inflation and babysitting modern age students, what are the realistic requirements to attain a university degree in a low-difficulty major at a mediocre school? 80 IQ? 85? The literacy argument is trivially refuted in a similar manner. Reading by itself is not indicative of higher cognitive function above an elementary school child. Also, proportions are what matter here. I doubt the proportion of people with high fluid/crystallized intelligence is higher now, than it was, say in 1850. The only difference is that now a higher proportion of the general population have degrees.
      - Apocryphon 8y ago
        What IQ level is optimal? And what is the role of IQ from a societal standpoint, if you are to presuppose that mass literacy and contemporary education is meaningless? What is the benefit of literacy from your perspective, for that matter
PhasmaFelis 8y ago
For starters, the real-world trends Idiocracy bemoans are cultural and educational, not genetic. You fix ignorance with education, not fucking eugenics.

It's teasing us. What is the refutation?

Judgmentality 8y ago

What makes you think Idiocracy is coming true?

wycs 8y ago
http://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/114/5/E727.full.pdf http://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/114/5/E727.full.pdf
duderific 8y ago
"In “Idiocracy,” the secretary of state is sponsored by Carl’s Jr., a company whose chairman very nearly became our current secretary of labor. In 2505, the Oval Office is occupied by an ex-wrestler and porn star named Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho; our president has been on the business end of a Stone Cold Stunner and once appeared in a nonpornographic segment of an otherwise soft-core Playboy VHS tape, dumping sparkling wine onto a limousine. His name is a brand name, too." [1] [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/magazine/mike-judge-the-bard-of-suck.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/magazine/mike-judge-the-b...
- scarejunba 8y ago
  This is a level of superficial similarity that I could use to say Judge Dredd is coming true.
- anon2775 8y ago
  Brawndo: The Thirst Mutilator!
anon2775 8y ago
Maybe you're so rich that you're insulated from reality, but we have human beings living on the sides of freeway on-ramps and a POTUS that hasn't read the Constitution or understand that an executive order is more-or-less a wish.

tootie 8y ago

The Flynn Effect. People aren't getting more ignorant, we're becoming more aware of our ignorance. Of all the foolishness and idiocy in the world, if you look at human history it's always been worse than now.

lsd5you 8y ago
Sure but the Flynn effect is just something measured and could well just be a 'low hanging fruit' environmental gains that will/already have run out.
- Apocryphon 8y ago
  What mythical better times are Idiocracy theory proponents even mourning? When have literacy rates and educational attainment for the masses ever been better than the present? As a species, we still have a long way to go before the low hanging fruit gains are realized.
  - antisthenes 8y ago
    To suggest that basic literacy and educational attainment are somehow indicative of above average intelligence or the ability to understand complex and abstract ideas is a bit of a stretch. With grade inflation and babysitting modern age students, what are the realistic requirements to attain a university degree in a low-difficulty major at a mediocre school? 80 IQ? 85? The literacy argument is trivially refuted in a similar manner. Reading by itself is not indicative of higher cognitive function above an elementary school child. Also, proportions are what matter here. I doubt the proportion of people with high fluid/crystallized intelligence is higher now, than it was, say in 1850. The only difference is that now a higher proportion of the general population have degrees.
    - Apocryphon 8y ago
      What IQ level is optimal? And what is the role of IQ from a societal standpoint, if you are to presuppose that mass literacy and contemporary education is meaningless? What is the benefit of literacy from your perspective, for that matter

PhasmaFelis 8y ago

For starters, the real-world trends Idiocracy bemoans are cultural and educational, not genetic. You fix ignorance with education, not fucking eugenics.