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Who are you talking about?

java_script 8y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_Brothers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_Brothers e: Oh shit I just realized who I'm replying to. Serious answer time. Socialism will be a disruptive new paradigm for start-ups and other businesses where (following the idea of a meritocracy) workers, and not stuffy old capitalists, each own an equal number of shares at their place of work. And even more innovative in structure than Zappos and Valve, it allows for capital investment decisions to be voted on by individual contributors, throwing away traditional management structures you see at crufty old firms. Pretty cool stuff! According to some dusty old theories it's the "Exit Strategy" for our largest firms.
- csa 8y ago
  I liked your original answer. It got the point across while being absolutely fucking hilarious.
  - java_script 8y ago
    Thanks. People keep getting mad at my jokes though (I'm on thin ice with dang) so I wanted to contribute a little bit more.
- fixermark 8y ago
  Fast Company was reporting on a bill that would implement part of this idea for companies with over $1 billion in revenue. https://www.fastcompany.com/90223130/how-elizabeth-warrens-accountable-capitalism-act-works https://www.fastcompany.com/90223130/how-elizabeth-warrens-a...
- virmundi 8y ago
  Who's dang and why are you self-censoring? Are you afraid of getting banned from HN? I don't think the site can remove your comments. If you are banned, I'd take it as a badge of honor.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > Who's dang and why are you self-censoring? dang is the HN admin, lead moderator, or whatever the official title is. > If you are banned, I'd take it as a badge of honor. Some people would rather continue to participate then accumulate honor badges.
    - virmundi 8y ago
      It's a waste of time contributing. Everyone has their little bubbles. I do this while my RL agent learns. Once I'm out of ML, probably out of HN. #OrangeManBad
simias 8y ago
Karl Marx. And I see the point the parent is making, although that's probably more of an issue in the USA than in Europe for instance. And I do agree that it's a shame because the writings of Marx are extremely interesting and deserve to be studied and discussed even if you don't believe in socialism and communism, it's really about economy in general first and foremost. Dismissing this important ground-breaking work because of what people did in its name decades after Marx's death is pretty strange. You could argue that he was wrong in his "praxis" but the diagnostic is very thorough, methodical and unfortunately a lot of it is very much relevant. And let's not even talk about whatever rebranding of Marx is used as a strawman these days, like this "cultural marxism" dog whistle I hear 10 times a day and I can't be bothered to figure out what that's even supposed to mean anymore. Actually I just tried to search the term and the first result was an entry on "urban dictionary" which goes like: >An umbrella term for identity politics, affirmative action, feminism, radical LGBT activism, Islam apologetics, white privilege, political correctness... Basically the SJW ideology. I think I missed that part in Das Kapital...
- thanatropism 8y ago
  In a past life I went to film school at a very very left-leaning university and distinctly remember learning about Lukács, Gramsci and Althusser as a "Cultural Marxist" wave that was all about correcting the excessive emphasis on economics of previous orthodox marxism. So there -- not only the phrase makes perfect sense if you do read Gramsci like I have, it's been uttered by Marxist professors somewhere in the world sometime this century.
  - beat 8y ago
    The Frankfurt School, which coined the term "cultural Marxism", were German Marxists who survived WWI, saw the revolution fail in Germany and turn to Leninist/Stalinist horror in Russia, and tried to understand what went wrong. They were seeking a route to revolution that was not wracked with violence and dictatorship. Fascinating stuff, actually.
    - jahaja 8y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_Brothers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_Brothers e: Oh shit I just realized who I'm replying to. Serious answer time. Socialism will be a disruptive new paradigm for start-ups and other businesses where (following the idea of a meritocracy) workers, and not stuffy old capitalists, each own an equal number of shares at their place of work. And even more innovative in structure than Zappos and Valve, it allows for capital investment decisions to be voted on by individual contributors, throwing away traditional management structures you see at crufty old firms. Pretty cool stuff! According to some dusty old theories it's the "Exit Strategy" for our largest firms.

csa 8y ago
I liked your original answer. It got the point across while being absolutely fucking hilarious.
- java_script 8y ago
  Thanks. People keep getting mad at my jokes though (I'm on thin ice with dang) so I wanted to contribute a little bit more.
fixermark 8y ago
Fast Company was reporting on a bill that would implement part of this idea for companies with over $1 billion in revenue. https://www.fastcompany.com/90223130/how-elizabeth-warrens-accountable-capitalism-act-works https://www.fastcompany.com/90223130/how-elizabeth-warrens-a...
virmundi 8y ago
Who's dang and why are you self-censoring? Are you afraid of getting banned from HN? I don't think the site can remove your comments. If you are banned, I'd take it as a badge of honor.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > Who's dang and why are you self-censoring? dang is the HN admin, lead moderator, or whatever the official title is. > If you are banned, I'd take it as a badge of honor. Some people would rather continue to participate then accumulate honor badges.
  - virmundi 8y ago
    It's a waste of time contributing. Everyone has their little bubbles. I do this while my RL agent learns. Once I'm out of ML, probably out of HN. #OrangeManBad

simias 8y ago

Karl Marx. And I see the point the parent is making, although that's probably more of an issue in the USA than in Europe for instance. And I do agree that it's a shame because the writings of Marx are extremely interesting and deserve to be studied and discussed even if you don't believe in socialism and communism, it's really about economy in general first and foremost. Dismissing this important ground-breaking work because of what people did in its name decades after Marx's death is pretty strange. You could argue that he was wrong in his "praxis" but the diagnostic is very thorough, methodical and unfortunately a lot of it is very much relevant. And let's not even talk about whatever rebranding of Marx is used as a strawman these days, like this "cultural marxism" dog whistle I hear 10 times a day and I can't be bothered to figure out what that's even supposed to mean anymore. Actually I just tried to search the term and the first result was an entry on "urban dictionary" which goes like: >An umbrella term for identity politics, affirmative action, feminism, radical LGBT activism, Islam apologetics, white privilege, political correctness... Basically the SJW ideology. I think I missed that part in Das Kapital...

thanatropism 8y ago
In a past life I went to film school at a very very left-leaning university and distinctly remember learning about Lukács, Gramsci and Althusser as a "Cultural Marxist" wave that was all about correcting the excessive emphasis on economics of previous orthodox marxism. So there -- not only the phrase makes perfect sense if you do read Gramsci like I have, it's been uttered by Marxist professors somewhere in the world sometime this century.
- beat 8y ago
  The Frankfurt School, which coined the term "cultural Marxism", were German Marxists who survived WWI, saw the revolution fail in Germany and turn to Leninist/Stalinist horror in Russia, and tried to understand what went wrong. They were seeking a route to revolution that was not wracked with violence and dictatorship. Fascinating stuff, actually.
  - jahaja 8y ago