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Personally I hate marijuana and everybody who uses it. I openly refuse to have anything to do with people who do. We're born with few enough brain cells as it

by hugh3 16y ago

Personally I hate marijuana and everybody who uses it. I openly refuse to have anything to do with people who do. We're born with few enough brain cells as it is, why would you want to kill more of 'em? If Prop 19 passes I'll be looking to leave California ASAP, because there's nothing that makes me angrier than smelling pot smoke.

Mithrandir 16y ago
You can disagree with legalizing marijuana, and even hate the drug, but don't hate the people who use it. I personally have never used marijuana, nor ever intend to do so, but I don't hate the people who use it because I don't who they are, or why they use marijuana. The ones who do (that I have heard of) use marijuana for medical purposes. Say instead that you dislike (or don't approve of) the abuse of marijuana.
stingraycharles 16y ago
Do you also hate people who voluntarily kill their own brain cells using other means, or in any other ways damage their own body ?
lukifer 16y ago
There's no argument for marijuana prohibition that does not also apply to alcohol prohibition, and we all know how that turned out. We're wasting billions of taxpayer dollars to prosecute what is at worst a poor personal health decision.
- binomial 16y ago
  Alcohol has many other disadvantages which are, IMO, worse than just the harm to personal health, though these normally only surface when overused. Can't say the same about marijuana though, and I agree with you about that.
- mfukar 16y ago
  I'm behind this statement. As another wise man once said, we could also take the warning labels off everything and let our problems solve themselves.
  - pstuart 16y ago
    That's quite the jump. If you hadn't stated elsewhere that you don't consume cannabis, I would say that you are high. People use and abuse drugs. Get over it. If you actually do care about the impact of drugs on other people you should be focusing on making sure that any harm from doing so is minimized by: a. Creating safe markets for the production, distribution, and consumption of all drugs b. Providing education and health resources to make sure that users of drugs can make informed choices and get help when needed.
    - mfukar 16y ago
      Wow, this place really does not like sarcasm. There's nothing for me to get over. I can't stop people from using drugs. However, oversimplified statements made to dazzle, like yours, really tick me. There are many kinds and definitions of a drug, depending on whether you're a pharmacologist, a lawyer, a government, an addict, or just your average simpleton. There's not a single precise definition. I've already stated elsewhere in this thread that people need to jump off the legalization/damnation bandwagons and have some concrete fucking clue about what they're talking about. Creating safe markets for all drugs? We haven't even been able to do that for pharmaceuticals! How do you suggest we proceed with recreational drugs? Where are consumers supposed to buy it from? What about existing supply-chains? Who oversees them all? What about derivatives? How will you figure out what is actually dangerous? Take a second and read Steve Yegge [1]; I'm sure you already have the answers but maybe he has a better chance of making you think. I don't know where you come from, but where I live drug users can both make an informed decision before using (being critical thinking beings and all that shit), as well as get guidance and support after actually being addicted. It doesn't help. Sure, educating people about recreational drugs is key, but we don't even know half of what drugs are capable of when it comes to psychotropics. We are missing fundamental links between substance and behaviour, what are we supposed to tell our kids? Anyway, I might have to put sarcasm tags in the last post, because being humorous or sarcastic really doesn't reach people here. I believe that comments have in fact degraded into YouTube comments, where there is no limit to how idiotic a statement will be taken seriously. And here's me, falling victim to that same behaviour. [1] http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2009/04/have-you-ever-legalized-marijuana.html http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2009/04/have-you-ever-legali...
cryptoz 16y ago
Do you follow the same policies about people who have a glass of wine with dinner? That kills brain cells. Do you hate everyone who drinks coffee? Caffeine is actually chemically addictive and can kill you if you overdose, whereas pot cannot kill you no matter how much you have. How about Barack Obama? He's admitted to smoking pot. Do you hate him because of that fact? Or Carl Sagan, one of the 20th century's most loved scientists? He was an avid pot smoker as well. The best athlete in the world, Michael Phelps, also smokes pot. Do you hate him? Your opinions of hate are horrible. Please re-think how you feel about marijuana and maybe read some science about the drug. It's much less damaging than alcohol.
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- jbooth 16y ago
  Anyone who quote "hate"s people for smoking pot definitely hates Barack Obama.
- 0-4 16y ago
  Drinking doesn't force others to consume the drink. Smoking is something that you're forcing those around you to partake in with you. It's antisocial.
  - brianbreslin 16y ago
    pretty sure there are ways to consume marijuana or thc without disturbing others. though your argument could be applied to cigarettes, and those aren't illegal...
    - mfukar 16y ago
      Smoking has been banned in indoor public spaces in many a country [1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans
  - cryptoz 16y ago
chc 16y ago
Marijuana does not kill brain cells, and humans are not exactly running short on them either.
- jockc 16y ago
  In fact generally alcohol doesn't kill brain cells either http://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/nervous-system/10-brain-myths9.htm http://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/nervous-s...
- fady 16y ago
  edit: agreed, Cannabis does not kill brain cells, our body actually makes it's own version of thc. excerpt from Botany of Desire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpH9C8-y708&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpH9C8-y708&feature=playe...
  - pjscott 16y ago
    This is actually a really fascinating topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system Endocannabinoids are fat-soluble chemicals used for local signaling, most notably retrograde signaling among neurons: they can send signals backwards. They're hydrophobic, diffusing well through cell membranes but not traveling well in water. This makes them useful for sending very short-distance signals.
Todd 16y ago
You must really dislike football players, boxers, and others who engage in sports that cause repetitive light trauma to the head. They lose way more brain cells that way.
- robryan 16y ago
  I think these opinions to have a lot to do with how the public is primed to behave by being exposed to things like TV where a censored message is portrayed and Football is an accepted and popular game and the drugs message is most anti all drugs reguardless of what the individuals giving the message think.
vaporizer 16y ago
So you hate my girlfriend, who has multiple sclerosis and the only thing that makes her feel better when she's having a flare-up is marijuana? Often times she doesn't want to be high, but does it anyway because it's the only thing that works. We'll be looking to move to California if this passes. Good to know there will be people leaving to make room for us...
kaens 16y ago
What in the world are you doing in California if you hate the smell of pot smoke?

by hugh3 16y ago

Mithrandir 16y ago

You can disagree with legalizing marijuana, and even hate the drug, but don't hate the people who use it. I personally have never used marijuana, nor ever intend to do so, but I don't hate the people who use it because I don't who they are, or why they use marijuana. The ones who do (that I have heard of) use marijuana for medical purposes. Say instead that you dislike (or don't approve of) the abuse of marijuana.

stingraycharles 16y ago

Do you also hate people who voluntarily kill their own brain cells using other means, or in any other ways damage their own body ?

lukifer 16y ago

There's no argument for marijuana prohibition that does not also apply to alcohol prohibition, and we all know how that turned out. We're wasting billions of taxpayer dollars to prosecute what is at worst a poor personal health decision.

binomial 16y ago
Alcohol has many other disadvantages which are, IMO, worse than just the harm to personal health, though these normally only surface when overused. Can't say the same about marijuana though, and I agree with you about that.
mfukar 16y ago
I'm behind this statement. As another wise man once said, we could also take the warning labels off everything and let our problems solve themselves.
- pstuart 16y ago
  That's quite the jump. If you hadn't stated elsewhere that you don't consume cannabis, I would say that you are high. People use and abuse drugs. Get over it. If you actually do care about the impact of drugs on other people you should be focusing on making sure that any harm from doing so is minimized by: a. Creating safe markets for the production, distribution, and consumption of all drugs b. Providing education and health resources to make sure that users of drugs can make informed choices and get help when needed.
  - mfukar 16y ago
    Wow, this place really does not like sarcasm. There's nothing for me to get over. I can't stop people from using drugs. However, oversimplified statements made to dazzle, like yours, really tick me. There are many kinds and definitions of a drug, depending on whether you're a pharmacologist, a lawyer, a government, an addict, or just your average simpleton. There's not a single precise definition. I've already stated elsewhere in this thread that people need to jump off the legalization/damnation bandwagons and have some concrete fucking clue about what they're talking about. Creating safe markets for all drugs? We haven't even been able to do that for pharmaceuticals! How do you suggest we proceed with recreational drugs? Where are consumers supposed to buy it from? What about existing supply-chains? Who oversees them all? What about derivatives? How will you figure out what is actually dangerous? Take a second and read Steve Yegge [1]; I'm sure you already have the answers but maybe he has a better chance of making you think. I don't know where you come from, but where I live drug users can both make an informed decision before using (being critical thinking beings and all that shit), as well as get guidance and support after actually being addicted. It doesn't help. Sure, educating people about recreational drugs is key, but we don't even know half of what drugs are capable of when it comes to psychotropics. We are missing fundamental links between substance and behaviour, what are we supposed to tell our kids? Anyway, I might have to put sarcasm tags in the last post, because being humorous or sarcastic really doesn't reach people here. I believe that comments have in fact degraded into YouTube comments, where there is no limit to how idiotic a statement will be taken seriously. And here's me, falling victim to that same behaviour. [1] http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2009/04/have-you-ever-legalized-marijuana.html http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2009/04/have-you-ever-legali...

cryptoz 16y ago

Do you follow the same policies about people who have a glass of wine with dinner? That kills brain cells. Do you hate everyone who drinks coffee? Caffeine is actually chemically addictive and can kill you if you overdose, whereas pot cannot kill you no matter how much you have. How about Barack Obama? He's admitted to smoking pot. Do you hate him because of that fact? Or Carl Sagan, one of the 20th century's most loved scientists? He was an avid pot smoker as well. The best athlete in the world, Michael Phelps, also smokes pot. Do you hate him? Your opinions of hate are horrible. Please re-think how you feel about marijuana and maybe read some science about the drug. It's much less damaging than alcohol.

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jbooth 16y ago
Anyone who quote "hate"s people for smoking pot definitely hates Barack Obama.
0-4 16y ago
Drinking doesn't force others to consume the drink. Smoking is something that you're forcing those around you to partake in with you. It's antisocial.
- brianbreslin 16y ago
  pretty sure there are ways to consume marijuana or thc without disturbing others. though your argument could be applied to cigarettes, and those aren't illegal...
  - mfukar 16y ago
    Smoking has been banned in indoor public spaces in many a country [1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans
- cryptoz 16y ago

chc 16y ago

Marijuana does not kill brain cells, and humans are not exactly running short on them either.

jockc 16y ago
In fact generally alcohol doesn't kill brain cells either http://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/nervous-system/10-brain-myths9.htm http://health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/nervous-s...
fady 16y ago
edit: agreed, Cannabis does not kill brain cells, our body actually makes it's own version of thc. excerpt from Botany of Desire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpH9C8-y708&feature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpH9C8-y708&feature=playe...
- pjscott 16y ago
  This is actually a really fascinating topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system Endocannabinoids are fat-soluble chemicals used for local signaling, most notably retrograde signaling among neurons: they can send signals backwards. They're hydrophobic, diffusing well through cell membranes but not traveling well in water. This makes them useful for sending very short-distance signals.

Todd 16y ago

You must really dislike football players, boxers, and others who engage in sports that cause repetitive light trauma to the head. They lose way more brain cells that way.

robryan 16y ago
I think these opinions to have a lot to do with how the public is primed to behave by being exposed to things like TV where a censored message is portrayed and Football is an accepted and popular game and the drugs message is most anti all drugs reguardless of what the individuals giving the message think.

vaporizer 16y ago

So you hate my girlfriend, who has multiple sclerosis and the only thing that makes her feel better when she's having a flare-up is marijuana? Often times she doesn't want to be high, but does it anyway because it's the only thing that works. We'll be looking to move to California if this passes. Good to know there will be people leaving to make room for us...

kaens 16y ago

What in the world are you doing in California if you hate the smell of pot smoke?