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well it's certainly better than listening to ranting retrograde gramps "zomg new framework, I have to LEARN again :("

AllegedAlec 8y ago
This is a fairly vacuous remark, if I'm frank. The problem isn't that you have to learn another framework (although it does become a problem when they're all slightly similar and they start to meld together after the umphteenth, not to mention that learning slows down with age). The problem is that each frameworks brings along new edge cases, new problems and forces you to reinvent tools you already had for this new framework. Although learning new shit can be exiting, at some point, you gotta stick to something for a while so you can also actually build a lasting product with it, rather than building a new prototype but never finishing anything because you're distracted by a new shiny.
- gear54rus 8y ago
  No one forces you to learn anything new if you don't want to. People aren't stupid, if they invent new something (and pour shit ton of effort into it like with Vue or React) they probably have a good reason to (previous PITA first comes to mind). And anyone's "I don't want to learn" whining is in no way a reason to not invent that new something because that will actually slow down progress of tech field (which we can't have under any circumstance, this is the backbone of my argument). Get your act together or give way to those who will.
  - wild_preference 8y ago
    Besides, client development is a cutting edge field. I'm sure glad we're advancing beyond the abstractions we have in, say, Cocoa development (which is evolving as well). Seems incredibly selfish to suggest that everyone is incompetent and nothing new is good because you don't want to have to learn new things. Yet somehow HNers convince themselves that it's scathing sociotechnological criticism of an ecosystem because we tolerate it for some reason. Meanwhile everyone would roll their eyes if you suggested something like "ugh, Objective-C replaced by Swift is like watching Apple read old books."
  - bendmorris 8y ago
    > if they invent new something ... they probably have a good reason to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here Even if there were no reason at all, the bias toward writing things ourselves ensures that we'd continue to see these new frameworks.

This is a fairly vacuous remark, if I'm frank. The problem isn't that you have to learn another framework (although it does become a problem when they're all slightly similar and they start to meld together after the umphteenth, not to mention that learning slows down with age). The problem is that each frameworks brings along new edge cases, new problems and forces you to reinvent tools you already had for this new framework. Although learning new shit can be exiting, at some point, you gotta stick to something for a while so you can also actually build a lasting product with it, rather than building a new prototype but never finishing anything because you're distracted by a new shiny.

gear54rus 8y ago
No one forces you to learn anything new if you don't want to. People aren't stupid, if they invent new something (and pour shit ton of effort into it like with Vue or React) they probably have a good reason to (previous PITA first comes to mind). And anyone's "I don't want to learn" whining is in no way a reason to not invent that new something because that will actually slow down progress of tech field (which we can't have under any circumstance, this is the backbone of my argument). Get your act together or give way to those who will.
- wild_preference 8y ago
  Besides, client development is a cutting edge field. I'm sure glad we're advancing beyond the abstractions we have in, say, Cocoa development (which is evolving as well). Seems incredibly selfish to suggest that everyone is incompetent and nothing new is good because you don't want to have to learn new things. Yet somehow HNers convince themselves that it's scathing sociotechnological criticism of an ecosystem because we tolerate it for some reason. Meanwhile everyone would roll their eyes if you suggested something like "ugh, Objective-C replaced by Swift is like watching Apple read old books."
- bendmorris 8y ago
  > if they invent new something ... they probably have a good reason to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here Even if there were no reason at all, the bias toward writing things ourselves ensures that we'd continue to see these new frameworks.