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I think you're massively downplaying addiction. Sometimes it is physical pain at first, but you get hooked on it. Not everyone does heroin because they actually

I think you're massively downplaying addiction. Sometimes it is physical pain at first, but you get hooked on it. Not everyone does heroin because they actually need that level of pain medication. They do it because it feels amazing. They get dependence on it, and then keep doing it. Read the Heroin diaries by Nikki Sixx of Motley Crue if you want a good look into that. I don't know where you're getting that morphine isn't dangerous. It's highly addictive and deadly if dosed wrong, and you absolutely build tolerance over time which changes your dosing.

dools 8y ago
A substance's addictive ness does not equate to lethality. The reason it's dosed incorrectly is because it is manufactured and sold in an unregulated environment. That is the cause of its lethality. Also I'm not referring exclusively to physical pain, but trauma or lack of emotional and social connection.
- bluntfang 8y ago
  >The reason it's dosed incorrectly is because it is manufactured and sold in an unregulated environment. How do you know it isn't because more of it makes you feel more of the effects?
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- eletious 8y ago
  The addictive nature of the substance combined with the body's growing resistance to it leads to users of the substance to use larger doses to achieve the same high, in some cases not exercising any caution about dosage, leading to overdose.
  - viggity 8y ago
    wife is a social worker - she has told me that most common reason for overdoses is the first use after being sober for an extended period of time. Someone will get clean, abstain for weeks/months/years, have a personal tragedy, and (this is the important part) immediately use the same dose that they used before quitting. And it is way way too much.
  - cookiecaper 8y ago
    This is a reason to continue to prescribe drugs through a licensed medical professional. Most long-term medications can't just be stopped without serious adverse effects. By and large, drugs will be a large social problem until going to the doctor to get a monitored, controlled dose is the easiest way to get a fix. If we keep pharmacists and doctors in control, they can ween dependent users off in a controlled, gradual environment. Prohibition keeps drug abuse firing on all cylinders until the addict slams into a brick wall (which, very often, is simply death), instead of giving them the equivalent of a "runaway truck" ramp that will allow them to gradually slow the pace and return to a normal existence.
a_throwaway_3 8y ago
>> They do it because it feels amazing. Heroin doesn't feel amazing. People say it does, but most of the time, it just knocks you off. I took the stuff maybe a dozen times or so, many years ago. I remember stumbling about town and falling asleep at cafes and bars, completely oblivious of what I looked like (an accomplished idiot, off my tits and completely ridiculous). I remember a friend who was a full-on junkie, who used to say that heroin hooks you because it makes you very sociable and pleasant. Well, my experience is that, after he shot up, he would fall asleep on my bed. My mother would come in the room and ask why he's asleep and me and my other pals would tell her he's tired from work, him snoring throughout. But, you know- it makes you sociable, fun to be around, a real party animal. (Edit: the other thing people say is that it makes you good at sex. Sure, except you can't get it up. But other than that, yeah, great sex.) Delusional is what it makes you. You think it's making you feel good. All it does is make you feel nothing. If something hurts, I guess that feels "good". But if there's nothing broken in you, there's nothing you can get from this shit. Nothing. Incidentally, my snoring friend died a few years down the line from a heart attack, at 34. Another friend became an addict and he's constantly in and out of detox communities since then. It's sad and it's not worh it. And I don't understand how it hooks you, because it just sucks. I stopped doing it because it was boring and pointless. If it was any good, I'd have been addicted too. But it's not. It's just dumb. But, you know. If you're Nikki Sixx, then maybe you can have a great time even on heroin. I bet I would.
- nindalf 8y ago
  That was an insightful comment, and I think you've answered your own question. > I don't understand how it hooks you > If something hurts, I guess that feels "good" Some people hurt from within. People with troubled childhoods or deep problems numb their mental pain with drugs. It works for them. The other factor is that there's a genetic component to addiction. Some people enjoy certain drugs more than others, while being more susceptible to addiction than others. You might be one of the lucky ones who can try heroin, not feel anything and not feel addicted either. Good for you.

dools 8y ago

A substance's addictive ness does not equate to lethality. The reason it's dosed incorrectly is because it is manufactured and sold in an unregulated environment. That is the cause of its lethality. Also I'm not referring exclusively to physical pain, but trauma or lack of emotional and social connection.

bluntfang 8y ago
>The reason it's dosed incorrectly is because it is manufactured and sold in an unregulated environment. How do you know it isn't because more of it makes you feel more of the effects?
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eletious 8y ago
The addictive nature of the substance combined with the body's growing resistance to it leads to users of the substance to use larger doses to achieve the same high, in some cases not exercising any caution about dosage, leading to overdose.
- viggity 8y ago
  wife is a social worker - she has told me that most common reason for overdoses is the first use after being sober for an extended period of time. Someone will get clean, abstain for weeks/months/years, have a personal tragedy, and (this is the important part) immediately use the same dose that they used before quitting. And it is way way too much.
- cookiecaper 8y ago
  This is a reason to continue to prescribe drugs through a licensed medical professional. Most long-term medications can't just be stopped without serious adverse effects. By and large, drugs will be a large social problem until going to the doctor to get a monitored, controlled dose is the easiest way to get a fix. If we keep pharmacists and doctors in control, they can ween dependent users off in a controlled, gradual environment. Prohibition keeps drug abuse firing on all cylinders until the addict slams into a brick wall (which, very often, is simply death), instead of giving them the equivalent of a "runaway truck" ramp that will allow them to gradually slow the pace and return to a normal existence.

a_throwaway_3 8y ago

>> They do it because it feels amazing. Heroin doesn't feel amazing. People say it does, but most of the time, it just knocks you off. I took the stuff maybe a dozen times or so, many years ago. I remember stumbling about town and falling asleep at cafes and bars, completely oblivious of what I looked like (an accomplished idiot, off my tits and completely ridiculous). I remember a friend who was a full-on junkie, who used to say that heroin hooks you because it makes you very sociable and pleasant. Well, my experience is that, after he shot up, he would fall asleep on my bed. My mother would come in the room and ask why he's asleep and me and my other pals would tell her he's tired from work, him snoring throughout. But, you know- it makes you sociable, fun to be around, a real party animal. (Edit: the other thing people say is that it makes you good at sex. Sure, except you can't get it up. But other than that, yeah, great sex.) Delusional is what it makes you. You think it's making you feel good. All it does is make you feel nothing. If something hurts, I guess that feels "good". But if there's nothing broken in you, there's nothing you can get from this shit. Nothing. Incidentally, my snoring friend died a few years down the line from a heart attack, at 34. Another friend became an addict and he's constantly in and out of detox communities since then. It's sad and it's not worh it. And I don't understand how it hooks you, because it just sucks. I stopped doing it because it was boring and pointless. If it was any good, I'd have been addicted too. But it's not. It's just dumb. But, you know. If you're Nikki Sixx, then maybe you can have a great time even on heroin. I bet I would.

nindalf 8y ago
That was an insightful comment, and I think you've answered your own question. > I don't understand how it hooks you > If something hurts, I guess that feels "good" Some people hurt from within. People with troubled childhoods or deep problems numb their mental pain with drugs. It works for them. The other factor is that there's a genetic component to addiction. Some people enjoy certain drugs more than others, while being more susceptible to addiction than others. You might be one of the lucky ones who can try heroin, not feel anything and not feel addicted either. Good for you.