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It's going to be unpopular. I'd say it's the arrogance of American leads to the situation. >> The Yinhe incident (Chinese: 银河号事件) was a false claim made in 19

by wangii 8y ago

It's going to be unpopular. I'd say it's the arrogance of American leads to the situation. >> The Yinhe incident (Chinese: 银河号事件) was a false claim made in 1993 by the United States government that the China-based regular container ship Yinhe (银河; "Milky Way") was carrying chemical weapon materials to Iran. The US Navy forced the Yinhe to stop in the international waters of the Indian Ocean for a month. The final inspection report signed by the U.S., concluded that there was no chemical weapon materials at all. However, the U.S. government refused to apologize "because the United States had acted in good faith on intelligence", even though the Chinese were proven innocent. What's not mentioned in the wikipedia page, is that US cut off the GPS of Yinhe container ship to force the search. It has been a wake up call for Chinese government.

jorblumesea 8y ago
What does that have to do with the mass theft of billions of dollars of IP? So, the US stops a Chinese ship in international waters, and therefore mass theft of trade secrets is acceptable? You're just making excuses. The Chinese government is an authoritarian state that is completely and totally ruthless, anything thing the US has done is just a pretense for this behavior. We're talking about a government that grounded up their own citizens with tanks and washed their remains down the drain: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/tiananmen-square-massacre-death-toll-secret-cable-british-ambassador-1989-alan-donald-a8126461.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/tiananmen-squa...
- wangii 8y ago
  It is plain and simple: if you don't have total control of the technology you are using, you'll get bullied by US government. >> The Chinese government was and is an authoritarian state that is completely and totally ruthless. I don't see any value in your last line.
  - jorblumesea 8y ago
    China has every right to control their own technology. They do not have the right to steal it in any fashion that they see fit. Develop your own without violating international laws and norms. Europe, the US and most of the world competes globally without resorting to such underhanded and damaging tactics. China is one of many global citizens, not the only global citizen, and the way they interact with the world leaves much to be desired. They will learn one way or another the consequences of their actions. >> I don't see any value in your last line. Then you don't understand the West. Freedoms and values are important. How your government is run is important.
    - hiiq 8y ago
      "They do not have the right to steal it in any fashion that they see fit" Actually they do. As you no doubt know, the US intelligence services are mandated to 'acquire' any significant technology that the US lacks from countries that have it and make it available to US companies. Goose-gander stuff.
    - ionised 8y ago
      > They do not have the right to steal it in any fashion that they see fit. I'm sure they'll stop doing it now that you, and American, has determined that they have no right to do so.
akarambir 8y ago
A somewhat similar situation happened with India when in 1999, India-Pak Kargil war, the US denied India access to its GPS satellites. It forced India to have its own Regional Navigation System(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Regional_Navigation_Satellite_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Regional_Navigation_Sat...). Countries realise that US acts as bully when they can. China just is acting in its own interest. Though as an Indian, I have my own problems with China policies, the US companies crying about IP theft is just them not owning upto their previous actions(of shifting major IP to china due to cheap labour).
- _iyig 8y ago
  It sounds like you many think GPS is property of the global community, and access to it - which the U.S. freely grants worldwide for the public good - is some kind of right. It is not. GPS was financed, developed, and deployed by the United States government, originally for military purposes. It is operated and maintained by the United States Air Force. American taxpayers foot the bill for this maintenance. If we return to your example, we find India prosecuting a war with the use of American military technology. How exactly is it "bullying" for the U.S. to deny India access to this advanced capability? India is free to fund, launch, and maintain their own GPS alternative for Indian military purposes.
  - chmod775 8y ago
    > India is free to fund, launch, and maintain their own GPS alternative for Indian military purposes That's (more or less) what everyone is doing right now... Military use optional. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Regional_Navigation_Satellite_System https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Regional_Navigation_S... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeiDou_Navigation_Satellite_System https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeiDou_Navigation_Satellite_... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigatio... Any aliens observing us creating 4 redundant navigation systems must think we're fucking mental.

by wangii 8y ago

jorblumesea 8y ago

What does that have to do with the mass theft of billions of dollars of IP? So, the US stops a Chinese ship in international waters, and therefore mass theft of trade secrets is acceptable? You're just making excuses. The Chinese government is an authoritarian state that is completely and totally ruthless, anything thing the US has done is just a pretense for this behavior. We're talking about a government that grounded up their own citizens with tanks and washed their remains down the drain: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/tiananmen-square-massacre-death-toll-secret-cable-british-ambassador-1989-alan-donald-a8126461.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/tiananmen-squa...

wangii 8y ago
It is plain and simple: if you don't have total control of the technology you are using, you'll get bullied by US government. >> The Chinese government was and is an authoritarian state that is completely and totally ruthless. I don't see any value in your last line.
- jorblumesea 8y ago
  China has every right to control their own technology. They do not have the right to steal it in any fashion that they see fit. Develop your own without violating international laws and norms. Europe, the US and most of the world competes globally without resorting to such underhanded and damaging tactics. China is one of many global citizens, not the only global citizen, and the way they interact with the world leaves much to be desired. They will learn one way or another the consequences of their actions. >> I don't see any value in your last line. Then you don't understand the West. Freedoms and values are important. How your government is run is important.
  - hiiq 8y ago
    "They do not have the right to steal it in any fashion that they see fit" Actually they do. As you no doubt know, the US intelligence services are mandated to 'acquire' any significant technology that the US lacks from countries that have it and make it available to US companies. Goose-gander stuff.
  - ionised 8y ago
    > They do not have the right to steal it in any fashion that they see fit. I'm sure they'll stop doing it now that you, and American, has determined that they have no right to do so.

akarambir 8y ago

A somewhat similar situation happened with India when in 1999, India-Pak Kargil war, the US denied India access to its GPS satellites. It forced India to have its own Regional Navigation System(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Regional_Navigation_Satellite_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Regional_Navigation_Sat...). Countries realise that US acts as bully when they can. China just is acting in its own interest. Though as an Indian, I have my own problems with China policies, the US companies crying about IP theft is just them not owning upto their previous actions(of shifting major IP to china due to cheap labour).

_iyig 8y ago
It sounds like you many think GPS is property of the global community, and access to it - which the U.S. freely grants worldwide for the public good - is some kind of right. It is not. GPS was financed, developed, and deployed by the United States government, originally for military purposes. It is operated and maintained by the United States Air Force. American taxpayers foot the bill for this maintenance. If we return to your example, we find India prosecuting a war with the use of American military technology. How exactly is it "bullying" for the U.S. to deny India access to this advanced capability? India is free to fund, launch, and maintain their own GPS alternative for Indian military purposes.
- chmod775 8y ago
  > India is free to fund, launch, and maintain their own GPS alternative for Indian military purposes That's (more or less) what everyone is doing right now... Military use optional. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Regional_Navigation_Satellite_System https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Regional_Navigation_S... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeiDou_Navigation_Satellite_System https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeiDou_Navigation_Satellite_... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigatio... Any aliens observing us creating 4 redundant navigation systems must think we're fucking mental.