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> It's like pouring sand into the gears of an engine: everything starts to break down. While true in general, cheating in that environment is also sometimes ne

by effie 8y ago

> It's like pouring sand into the gears of an engine: everything starts to break down. While true in general, cheating in that environment is also sometimes necessary to get on with your life unharmed. And sometimes cheating the system is actually regarded highly by the fellow citizens, because the people do not believe in the imposed system. Cheating is not beneficial to the system, but it often is to the people. Now, what is more ethical, doing what benefits the people or doing what benefits such system?

sonnyblarney 8y ago
"And sometimes cheating the system is actually regarded highly by the fellow citizens, because the people do not believe in the imposed system. " If you live a totally corrupt system, maybe. But functional societies are based on the notion that cheating is bad, immoral, and nobody should do it. "Now, what is more ethical, doing what benefits the people or doing what benefits such system?" - ha ha ... this sounds like how psychopaths in prison justify their crimes! "I robbed the bank because the bank is evil, now who's more important, the people or the evil bank?" No way around this one: cheating is bad.
- effie 8y ago
  People who rob banks are not necessarily psychopaths. For a good (fictitious but convincing) example, see Toby Howard in the film https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_or_High_Water_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_or_High_Water_(film) Robbing a bank is universally illegal, but it is not regarded as unethical in general.
  - foldr 8y ago
    >Robbing a bank is universally illegal, but it is not regarded as unethical in general Erm, no, it is regarded as unethical by almost everyone except bank robbers.
    - effie 8y ago
      Have you heard of the Robin Hood legend? It says the man was robbing the rich, and was very popular with the populace. I find it hard to believe that his robbing activity was regarded as 'unethical' by 'almost everyone'. Or a recent example, the sci-hub and libgen projects. They are robbing publisher shareholders of their profits. Do you think those projects are regarded as unethical by 'almost everyone'?
  - sonnyblarney 8y ago
    "but it is not regarded as unethical in general." Yes it is. Maybe you live in an interesting developing nation? Robbing banks, stores, anyone - is considered basically immoral in all of civilization, thankfully. Yes - not all bank robbers are psychopaths - probably not the majority. But prisons are fully of people bending reality to justify their crimes.
    - effie 8y ago
      Robbing average Joe is universally considered wrong. Robbing bankers, insurance companies or other powerful subjects, I don't think so. It depends on the circumstances - for a good example, see the movie, that is, if you like such a mental challenge.
      - sonnyblarney 8y ago
        Robbing banks, bankers, insurance companies and other 'powerful people or companies' is wrong, basically universally. There is no ned to see any film about this.

by effie 8y ago

sonnyblarney 8y ago

"And sometimes cheating the system is actually regarded highly by the fellow citizens, because the people do not believe in the imposed system. " If you live a totally corrupt system, maybe. But functional societies are based on the notion that cheating is bad, immoral, and nobody should do it. "Now, what is more ethical, doing what benefits the people or doing what benefits such system?" - ha ha ... this sounds like how psychopaths in prison justify their crimes! "I robbed the bank because the bank is evil, now who's more important, the people or the evil bank?" No way around this one: cheating is bad.

effie 8y ago
People who rob banks are not necessarily psychopaths. For a good (fictitious but convincing) example, see Toby Howard in the film https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_or_High_Water_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_or_High_Water_(film) Robbing a bank is universally illegal, but it is not regarded as unethical in general.
- foldr 8y ago
  >Robbing a bank is universally illegal, but it is not regarded as unethical in general Erm, no, it is regarded as unethical by almost everyone except bank robbers.
  - effie 8y ago
    Have you heard of the Robin Hood legend? It says the man was robbing the rich, and was very popular with the populace. I find it hard to believe that his robbing activity was regarded as 'unethical' by 'almost everyone'. Or a recent example, the sci-hub and libgen projects. They are robbing publisher shareholders of their profits. Do you think those projects are regarded as unethical by 'almost everyone'?
- sonnyblarney 8y ago
  "but it is not regarded as unethical in general." Yes it is. Maybe you live in an interesting developing nation? Robbing banks, stores, anyone - is considered basically immoral in all of civilization, thankfully. Yes - not all bank robbers are psychopaths - probably not the majority. But prisons are fully of people bending reality to justify their crimes.
  - effie 8y ago
    Robbing average Joe is universally considered wrong. Robbing bankers, insurance companies or other powerful subjects, I don't think so. It depends on the circumstances - for a good example, see the movie, that is, if you like such a mental challenge.
    - sonnyblarney 8y ago
      Robbing banks, bankers, insurance companies and other 'powerful people or companies' is wrong, basically universally. There is no ned to see any film about this.