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"Trauma" - moving? Your ancestors could handle a trip across the country (or an ocean) where half the people died along the way, but people can't handle moving

"Trauma" - moving? Your ancestors could handle a trip across the country (or an ocean) where half the people died along the way, but people can't handle moving out of some shitty midwestern town entirely supported by the coal plant that's scheduled to shut down to pursue a job because the local Church and T-ball league they're involved with is there? I'm increasingly not sure the boom in population has been worth it for humanity if these are the kinds of people we're dragging along.

SolaceQuantum 8y ago
I would make the suggestion to practice good-faith examination as to why I would state that moving under economic pressure is traumatic. It isn't "local Church and T-ball". It's "local Church, whose pastor is the only person who supported me when I was assaulted in school". It's "T-ball league, where my son has developed lifelong friendships that I'm ripping him out of". Humans need their social network to survive. Moving strips them of their social network and forces them to build again, much of it less successful than the original.
- analognoise 8y ago
  I don't care about those people's connections to subsidize them. Let them learn to adapt, like everyone else.
  - SolaceQuantum 8y ago
    This is a distinctly different claim than my claim that it is traumatic to be forced to move and the subsequent non understanding what is traumatic about it. Instead it is a claim that the trauma does not matter. I would then argue that it does matter, in that the lack of compassion towards traumatic events actually prevents efficient calculations in understanding why people don’t move or why assuming people will learn to adapt isn’t necessarily reflective of reality. The claim is not that people will not adapt, but that the quality of their lives will be fundamentally lowered as a result of being forced to move, due to massive loss in human interaction infrastructure. That this doesn’t matter to you is your choice, of course. I’m merely stating that this is a consequence that should be acknowledged during the transition period.

SolaceQuantum 8y ago

I would make the suggestion to practice good-faith examination as to why I would state that moving under economic pressure is traumatic. It isn't "local Church and T-ball". It's "local Church, whose pastor is the only person who supported me when I was assaulted in school". It's "T-ball league, where my son has developed lifelong friendships that I'm ripping him out of". Humans need their social network to survive. Moving strips them of their social network and forces them to build again, much of it less successful than the original.

analognoise 8y ago
I don't care about those people's connections to subsidize them. Let them learn to adapt, like everyone else.
- SolaceQuantum 8y ago
  This is a distinctly different claim than my claim that it is traumatic to be forced to move and the subsequent non understanding what is traumatic about it. Instead it is a claim that the trauma does not matter. I would then argue that it does matter, in that the lack of compassion towards traumatic events actually prevents efficient calculations in understanding why people don’t move or why assuming people will learn to adapt isn’t necessarily reflective of reality. The claim is not that people will not adapt, but that the quality of their lives will be fundamentally lowered as a result of being forced to move, due to massive loss in human interaction infrastructure. That this doesn’t matter to you is your choice, of course. I’m merely stating that this is a consequence that should be acknowledged during the transition period.