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It sounds like orange has a small axe to grind... that's a very uncharitable description. Like saying christianity was started by a Jewish criminal who was cond

It sounds like orange has a small axe to grind... that's a very uncharitable description. Like saying christianity was started by a Jewish criminal who was condemned and executed at the insistence of his own community. I don't argue with fanatics. You're arguing the and hominem fallacy, at any rate. Whatever the case may be you seem to have very strong feelings about aa and let's not waste any more time on it.

sverige 8y ago
It's not uncharitable. It's documented fact. For example, Dr. Frank N.D. Buchman in fact did praise Adolf Hitler in a published interview [0], and did in fact meet with Himmler in Germany at the 1936 Olympics [1], and was close friends with Putzi Hanfstaengl, who personally helped Hitler into a car to escape after Hitler fell and dislocated his shoulder during the Beer Hall Putsch and was later his foreign press secretary. [2] After Buchman was roundly criticized in the U.S. for his support of Hitler, he changed the name of the Oxford Group to Moral Re-Armament. The Oxford Group was, of course, the birthplace of Alcoholics Anonymous, and Bill Wilson attended its meetings for four or five years before breaking off to form AA. I'm not a fanatic. I'm simply someone who was exposed to AA and discovered what a toxic dump of bad ideas it is. Which is what prompted my original comment that it is no surprise that Synanon was incubated in AA meetings. [0] http://web.archive.org/web/20160508021611/http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-rroot840.html#World_Telegram http://web.archive.org/web/20160508021611/http://www.orange-... [1] http://web.archive.org/web/20160417033412/http://www.orange-papers.org:80/orange-rroot240.html#Hitler http://web.archive.org/web/20160417033412/http://www.orange-... [2] http://web.archive.org/web/20160319224125/http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-rroot480.html http://web.archive.org/web/20160319224125/http://www.orange-...
- coleifer 8y ago
  I'd like to talk more and hear about your experience, and perhaps share my own. If you're interested hit me up. My email is on my profile page.
  - sverige 8y ago
    I've sent you an email.
- CPLX 8y ago
  You ever gotten in a vehicle made by the Ford company, or VW? This style of guilt by association article is ridiculous at best.

sverige 8y ago

It's not uncharitable. It's documented fact. For example, Dr. Frank N.D. Buchman in fact did praise Adolf Hitler in a published interview [0], and did in fact meet with Himmler in Germany at the 1936 Olympics [1], and was close friends with Putzi Hanfstaengl, who personally helped Hitler into a car to escape after Hitler fell and dislocated his shoulder during the Beer Hall Putsch and was later his foreign press secretary. [2] After Buchman was roundly criticized in the U.S. for his support of Hitler, he changed the name of the Oxford Group to Moral Re-Armament. The Oxford Group was, of course, the birthplace of Alcoholics Anonymous, and Bill Wilson attended its meetings for four or five years before breaking off to form AA. I'm not a fanatic. I'm simply someone who was exposed to AA and discovered what a toxic dump of bad ideas it is. Which is what prompted my original comment that it is no surprise that Synanon was incubated in AA meetings. [0] http://web.archive.org/web/20160508021611/http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-rroot840.html#World_Telegram http://web.archive.org/web/20160508021611/http://www.orange-... [1] http://web.archive.org/web/20160417033412/http://www.orange-papers.org:80/orange-rroot240.html#Hitler http://web.archive.org/web/20160417033412/http://www.orange-... [2] http://web.archive.org/web/20160319224125/http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-rroot480.html http://web.archive.org/web/20160319224125/http://www.orange-...

coleifer 8y ago
I'd like to talk more and hear about your experience, and perhaps share my own. If you're interested hit me up. My email is on my profile page.
- sverige 8y ago
  I've sent you an email.
CPLX 8y ago
You ever gotten in a vehicle made by the Ford company, or VW? This style of guilt by association article is ridiculous at best.