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"The West was sure the Chinese approach would not work. It just had to wait. It’s still waiting." Waiting, crossing fingers, thinking wishfully, hoping, and ac

"The West was sure the Chinese approach would not work. It just had to wait. It’s still waiting." Waiting, crossing fingers, thinking wishfully, hoping, and acting upon it. China is doing something right.. or maybe West is indeed helping the Chinese success?

clubm8 8y ago
Or maybe in the short term China will "win" (America declines, Chine's influence rises). Only to find that they are unable to develop their own tech, come up to solutions to keeping said tech running 10-20 years down the line, etc etc. I could totally see a future where America gets embroiled in a civil war and China's experiencing a sort of "island syndrome" ala Japan where all their tech was advanced at one point and now is stuck in time.
- astronautjones 8y ago
  USA's best and brightest minds are currently being used to figure out how to sell ads for corrupt social media companies
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  - clubm8 8y ago
    > USA's best and brightest minds are currently being used to figure out how to sell ads for corrupt social media companies Are they really the brightest if they can't find a way to make a high wage without working in advertising? :) Also LOL at calling advertising, a scummy but legal industry "corrupt" in a conversation about China https://web.archive.org/web/20081210040251/http://www.csis.org/index.php?option=com_csis_progj&task=view&id=1029 https://web.archive.org/web/20081210040251/http://www.csis.o...
    - astronautjones 8y ago
      i called social media companies corrupt in a week where some of the most damning reporting about fb ever was published
      - clubm8 8y ago
        > i called social media companies corrupt in a week where some of the most damning reporting about fb ever was published Uh, ok? Sorry but your reply is a bit of a non-sequitur, I'm not clear where you're going with this point.
liftbigweights 8y ago
"The west was sure the chinese approach would not work"? Is that why the west invested trillions of dollars in china over the past 4 decades? I expect very little from the nytimes, but this is a new low for them. Did the nytimes assume Gordon Chang is "the west" and then run with that false premise? If anything, we have gambled our future and put all our eggs in one basket - china. We looked to china to be the manufacturer of the world. Then during the financial crisis, we looked to china to increase debt to save the world economy from collapse. Now we are looking to china to be the consumer of the world to boost the world economy. The west helped create modern china. It was our money, resources, expertise, technology and markets that helped create modern china. Why would we invest trillions in a country expecting it to fail? From hollywood to the NBA to silicon valley to wall street to agriculture, "the west" is looking to china to be the source of growth for decades to come. Or maybe I'm missing something?
- ardy42 8y ago
  > The west helped create modern china. It was our money, resources, expertise, technology and markets that helped create modern china. Why would we invest trillions in a country expecting it to fail? I think the expectation was that it's political system would fail, not the country itself, and a liberal democracy would emerge from that failure. Much of the investment was sanctioned by the (now disproven) idea that capitalism invariably brings democracy and liberalization with it.
  - withhighprod 8y ago
    ha？How could it not fail when its political system fails? China’s history is full of turnarounds and disasters from the political failures

clubm8 8y ago

Or maybe in the short term China will "win" (America declines, Chine's influence rises). Only to find that they are unable to develop their own tech, come up to solutions to keeping said tech running 10-20 years down the line, etc etc. I could totally see a future where America gets embroiled in a civil war and China's experiencing a sort of "island syndrome" ala Japan where all their tech was advanced at one point and now is stuck in time.

astronautjones 8y ago
USA's best and brightest minds are currently being used to figure out how to sell ads for corrupt social media companies
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- clubm8 8y ago
  > USA's best and brightest minds are currently being used to figure out how to sell ads for corrupt social media companies Are they really the brightest if they can't find a way to make a high wage without working in advertising? :) Also LOL at calling advertising, a scummy but legal industry "corrupt" in a conversation about China https://web.archive.org/web/20081210040251/http://www.csis.org/index.php?option=com_csis_progj&task=view&id=1029 https://web.archive.org/web/20081210040251/http://www.csis.o...
  - astronautjones 8y ago
    i called social media companies corrupt in a week where some of the most damning reporting about fb ever was published
    - clubm8 8y ago
      > i called social media companies corrupt in a week where some of the most damning reporting about fb ever was published Uh, ok? Sorry but your reply is a bit of a non-sequitur, I'm not clear where you're going with this point.

liftbigweights 8y ago

"The west was sure the chinese approach would not work"? Is that why the west invested trillions of dollars in china over the past 4 decades? I expect very little from the nytimes, but this is a new low for them. Did the nytimes assume Gordon Chang is "the west" and then run with that false premise? If anything, we have gambled our future and put all our eggs in one basket - china. We looked to china to be the manufacturer of the world. Then during the financial crisis, we looked to china to increase debt to save the world economy from collapse. Now we are looking to china to be the consumer of the world to boost the world economy. The west helped create modern china. It was our money, resources, expertise, technology and markets that helped create modern china. Why would we invest trillions in a country expecting it to fail? From hollywood to the NBA to silicon valley to wall street to agriculture, "the west" is looking to china to be the source of growth for decades to come. Or maybe I'm missing something?

ardy42 8y ago
> The west helped create modern china. It was our money, resources, expertise, technology and markets that helped create modern china. Why would we invest trillions in a country expecting it to fail? I think the expectation was that it's political system would fail, not the country itself, and a liberal democracy would emerge from that failure. Much of the investment was sanctioned by the (now disproven) idea that capitalism invariably brings democracy and liberalization with it.
- withhighprod 8y ago
  ha？How could it not fail when its political system fails? China’s history is full of turnarounds and disasters from the political failures