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The problem is the signal to noise ratio is getting so bad that you don’t know what information to trust.

maratd 8y ago
> signal to noise ratio This is another euphemism for hearing ideas you disagree with. You choose who to friend/follow/read. Occasionally those people will say things you don't agree with. > you don’t know what information to trust Just because someone landed a job at [fill in traditional media outlet] does not make them more trustworthy. You're simply being exposed to the reality that their bullshit is just as much bullshit as everything else.
- yelloweyes 8y ago
  So you're telling me that russian bots spreading lies are merely "ideas you disagree with"? I can't... I can't... jesus...
  - kingofhdds 8y ago
    Words "Russian", and "bots" are absolutely irrelevant for the discussion. "Lies" is relevant, but who is the authority to decide what belongs to the category? The whole Free Speech thing is invented exactly because history of humanity many times proved that mandatory filtering of information inevitably leads to abuse, and to lies which you want to counter.
  - prolikewh0a 8y ago
    Why is everything a Russian bot? That conspiracy needs to end. The American media lies to you constantly (Manufacturing Consent, Chomsky), politicians lie to you constantly, advertising lies to you constantly. This isn't one big Russian scheme, it's simply capital. Was this Russia? https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/2003/02/06/irrefutable/e598b1be-a78a-4a42-8e1a-c336f7a217f4/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2623c4cdb9e2 https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/2003/02/06/i...
    - sova 8y ago
      Na BrO. You are probably not on the social often enough to see the ephemeral ads that (that have been paid for) to target specific opinion clusters. It's a sophisticated attack on common sense, by appealing to gut instincts. How do you think a bunch of old people were able to harness the power of the internet in 2016,17,18? They paid private firms to figure this stuff out. People love trading money for control, and you should not be so naive as to think the opposite.
      - prolikewh0a 8y ago
        You've just described most advertising, ever.
    - neltnerb 8y ago
      It's a meme, not something literal. Of course it's not all russian bots, and that's besides the point. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/11/15/facebook-says-it-removed-flood-hate-speech-terrorist-propaganda-fake-accounts-its-site/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/11/15/faceboo... Verified by multiple sources. "Facebook said it had found and removed roughly 1.5 billion fake accounts" surely doesn't suggest they're all literally Russian, or bots, but they sure were fake and spreading propaganda.
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  - b1r6 8y ago
    Yes, because that's exactly what it is. They are ideas. And you disagree with them. It's very simple - anyone can assert anything, thus each individual must take it upon themselves to be skeptical of the assertion, or blindly agree with it. The real problem you're getting at here is that many people are dumb, and may be made to believe anything. If these people became skeptical or were simply deleted from reality, such bots would have no value.
kingofhdds 8y ago
Please, please, let me decide for myself what is information, and what is noise.
prolikewh0a 8y ago
Why am I able to find information I can trust easily, verifiable among many different non-mainstream sources that are nearly always accurate? The most important thing is to get off Facebook, Instagram, Reddit, Snapchat, etc, find some independent news sites you like, and be very skeptical.
- sova 8y ago
  Disagree, make better platforms. People will exercise their ability to choose once choices exist.

> signal to noise ratio This is another euphemism for hearing ideas you disagree with. You choose who to friend/follow/read. Occasionally those people will say things you don't agree with. > you don’t know what information to trust Just because someone landed a job at [fill in traditional media outlet] does not make them more trustworthy. You're simply being exposed to the reality that their bullshit is just as much bullshit as everything else.

yelloweyes 8y ago
So you're telling me that russian bots spreading lies are merely "ideas you disagree with"? I can't... I can't... jesus...
- kingofhdds 8y ago
  Words "Russian", and "bots" are absolutely irrelevant for the discussion. "Lies" is relevant, but who is the authority to decide what belongs to the category? The whole Free Speech thing is invented exactly because history of humanity many times proved that mandatory filtering of information inevitably leads to abuse, and to lies which you want to counter.
- prolikewh0a 8y ago
  Why is everything a Russian bot? That conspiracy needs to end. The American media lies to you constantly (Manufacturing Consent, Chomsky), politicians lie to you constantly, advertising lies to you constantly. This isn't one big Russian scheme, it's simply capital. Was this Russia? https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/2003/02/06/irrefutable/e598b1be-a78a-4a42-8e1a-c336f7a217f4/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2623c4cdb9e2 https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/2003/02/06/i...
  - sova 8y ago
    Na BrO. You are probably not on the social often enough to see the ephemeral ads that (that have been paid for) to target specific opinion clusters. It's a sophisticated attack on common sense, by appealing to gut instincts. How do you think a bunch of old people were able to harness the power of the internet in 2016,17,18? They paid private firms to figure this stuff out. People love trading money for control, and you should not be so naive as to think the opposite.
    - prolikewh0a 8y ago
      You've just described most advertising, ever.
  - neltnerb 8y ago
    It's a meme, not something literal. Of course it's not all russian bots, and that's besides the point. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/11/15/facebook-says-it-removed-flood-hate-speech-terrorist-propaganda-fake-accounts-its-site/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/11/15/faceboo... Verified by multiple sources. "Facebook said it had found and removed roughly 1.5 billion fake accounts" surely doesn't suggest they're all literally Russian, or bots, but they sure were fake and spreading propaganda.
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- b1r6 8y ago
  Yes, because that's exactly what it is. They are ideas. And you disagree with them. It's very simple - anyone can assert anything, thus each individual must take it upon themselves to be skeptical of the assertion, or blindly agree with it. The real problem you're getting at here is that many people are dumb, and may be made to believe anything. If these people became skeptical or were simply deleted from reality, such bots would have no value.

kingofhdds 8y ago

Please, please, let me decide for myself what is information, and what is noise.

prolikewh0a 8y ago

Why am I able to find information I can trust easily, verifiable among many different non-mainstream sources that are nearly always accurate? The most important thing is to get off Facebook, Instagram, Reddit, Snapchat, etc, find some independent news sites you like, and be very skeptical.

sova 8y ago
Disagree, make better platforms. People will exercise their ability to choose once choices exist.