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Opinions are good, bad and ugly. Sometimes all at once. Thanks for letting us know one nerd's take on openzfs. The only thing standing in zfs way (to 1st tier

Opinions are good, bad and ugly. Sometimes all at once. Thanks for letting us know one nerd's take on openzfs. The only thing standing in zfs way (to 1st tier Linux support) is a company springing up and heading the charge. 75 percent sure this will happen eventually with ZoL at some point in a decade's time. However, another point of measure is money. Synology is huge and seems to think btrfs is good enough for business. They compete with ixsystems directly. We could go all day and into 2020 with points and counter points. The licensing issue is weak but will eventually be moot with enough money and time behind the right project. I'm not in any position to judge that last point for sure just offering my IT pro/business take on it. To be fair bsd-ish-ness has a role to play on the backend and is bullet proof and battle tested for the right mission. But the same can be said for Linux too. The last point I'll make is that today, I can run the Linux kernel from my msft windows 10 machine natively. No one here would have saw that in 2000. Does bsd, zfs have a similar anecdotal Hero Epic like this; where the enemy capitulated so thoroughly?

rleigh 8y ago
Dont' we already have the beginnings of such support with Canonical's support of ZFS in the Ubuntu Linux kernel? I'm writing this reply on a system running ZFS as the rootfs. % findmnt / TARGET SOURCE FSTYPE OPTIONS / rpool/ROOT/default zfs rw,relatime,xattr,noacl Regarding Linux kernel on Windows 10, if you're referring to The Linux subsystem, there's no Linux kernel there, it's a Windows subsystem implementing the Linux system calls directly. Unless you're referring to full Hyper-V virtualisation, where you can run FreeBSD just as you can run Linux.
- sirmike_ 8y ago
  I also didn't think the canonical effort went anywhere? Maybe I'm wrong. Re:wsl You are correct thank you for the catch. I was missing a few key words.
  - rleigh 8y ago
    I'm not sure what you mean by "went anywhere". It's perfectly functional as it stands. The main missing piece is proper support in the installer for using it as a root filesystem. Currently this requires manual setup, which is tedious, but even this is functional once done.
chungy 8y ago
Syscall ABI translations are pretty common in Unices, with Linux itself having had support for a few of them, and a lot of others (including Solaris/illumos, FreeBSD, NetBSD) supporting Linux as well. The special thing about the "Linux on Windows" subsystem is just how different the host OS is, which requires Microsoft to do some quite extensive changes to the Windows kernel in order to support it. Unix to Unix is relatively easy by comparison. OTOH, we also have Wine, which is pretty much exactly the same sort of thing as Windows 10's Linux subsystem.

rleigh 8y ago

Dont' we already have the beginnings of such support with Canonical's support of ZFS in the Ubuntu Linux kernel? I'm writing this reply on a system running ZFS as the rootfs. % findmnt / TARGET SOURCE FSTYPE OPTIONS / rpool/ROOT/default zfs rw,relatime,xattr,noacl Regarding Linux kernel on Windows 10, if you're referring to The Linux subsystem, there's no Linux kernel there, it's a Windows subsystem implementing the Linux system calls directly. Unless you're referring to full Hyper-V virtualisation, where you can run FreeBSD just as you can run Linux.

sirmike_ 8y ago
I also didn't think the canonical effort went anywhere? Maybe I'm wrong. Re:wsl You are correct thank you for the catch. I was missing a few key words.
- rleigh 8y ago
  I'm not sure what you mean by "went anywhere". It's perfectly functional as it stands. The main missing piece is proper support in the installer for using it as a root filesystem. Currently this requires manual setup, which is tedious, but even this is functional once done.

chungy 8y ago

Syscall ABI translations are pretty common in Unices, with Linux itself having had support for a few of them, and a lot of others (including Solaris/illumos, FreeBSD, NetBSD) supporting Linux as well. The special thing about the "Linux on Windows" subsystem is just how different the host OS is, which requires Microsoft to do some quite extensive changes to the Windows kernel in order to support it. Unix to Unix is relatively easy by comparison. OTOH, we also have Wine, which is pretty much exactly the same sort of thing as Windows 10's Linux subsystem.