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> Admitting to significant ... fraud during a job interview is a very, very bad idea. After serving his time, that's exactly how Frank Abagnale got a job in th

> Admitting to significant ... fraud during a job interview is a very, very bad idea. After serving his time, that's exactly how Frank Abagnale got a job in the FBI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Abagnale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Abagnale

devcpp 8y ago
Well, you need criminals to outsmart criminals. I'm not sure why you need that trait in software. You're (usually) not trying to beat other programmers. So I suppose the parent comment should have added "except in adversarial situations". Which means it does apply to cyber security. You need hackers to outsmart hackers. If that's the kind of industry you're applying for, it probably is a good idea to mention this actually.
- TomMarius 8y ago
  Many EU startups won't be interested in your academic records but such a project would make them hire you on the spot.
  - effie 8y ago
    That sounds interesting. Are EU startups known for less interest in uni credentials than US startups?
    - TomMarius 8y ago
      I'm not sure - but it became a meme in EU because other fields typically require good academical background, whereas IT is seen as done by punkers.
ken 8y ago
That's different. According to that page, Abagnale served 5 years in prison (6 months in solitary confinement), and had to work for the feds for a while "without pay". Then when he first got legitimate work, he was usually fired. I'd be willing to hire someone who cheated and was caught and served time, but not someone who cheated without consequence and boasted about it. The commenter here doesn't sound like they segued that into a career catching academic cheaters. They just used it as a stepping stone to their next personal accomplishment.
slededit 8y ago
He’s the exception that proved the rule. The FBI never repeated that hiring process on anyone else.
Izkata 8y ago
> After serving his time So there was nothing new to admit to, they already knew. Entirely different situation.

devcpp 8y ago

Well, you need criminals to outsmart criminals. I'm not sure why you need that trait in software. You're (usually) not trying to beat other programmers. So I suppose the parent comment should have added "except in adversarial situations". Which means it does apply to cyber security. You need hackers to outsmart hackers. If that's the kind of industry you're applying for, it probably is a good idea to mention this actually.

TomMarius 8y ago
Many EU startups won't be interested in your academic records but such a project would make them hire you on the spot.
- effie 8y ago
  That sounds interesting. Are EU startups known for less interest in uni credentials than US startups?
  - TomMarius 8y ago
    I'm not sure - but it became a meme in EU because other fields typically require good academical background, whereas IT is seen as done by punkers.

ken 8y ago

That's different. According to that page, Abagnale served 5 years in prison (6 months in solitary confinement), and had to work for the feds for a while "without pay". Then when he first got legitimate work, he was usually fired. I'd be willing to hire someone who cheated and was caught and served time, but not someone who cheated without consequence and boasted about it. The commenter here doesn't sound like they segued that into a career catching academic cheaters. They just used it as a stepping stone to their next personal accomplishment.

slededit 8y ago

He’s the exception that proved the rule. The FBI never repeated that hiring process on anyone else.

Izkata 8y ago

> After serving his time So there was nothing new to admit to, they already knew. Entirely different situation.