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Tesla’s ‘Bioweapon Defense Mode’ proving invaluable to owners in CA wildfires

64 points by Bud 8y ago

vinay427 8y ago
https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/tesla-mazda/ https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/tesla-mazda/ Apparently it may not perform noticeably better (other than in speed of filtration) than a 2010 Mazda 3 or, even more surprisingly, random Uber cars in Shanghai and Delhi. I'm unclear how accurate or widely applicable the results of this test are, however.
- ryacko 8y ago
  It’s just a high quality HEPA filter and a slight overpressure.
izacus 8y ago
All you need is to be able to afford a 100.000$ car, nothing else. Then you're fine even if you've destroyed the air quality.
- berberous 8y ago
  Not that it's still not expensive, but the cheapest model 3 is currently $46k, which they plan to reduce soon to $35k. Even the current model is effectively already $36k after tax incentives in some states, and the TCO is even lower if you factor in gas savings.
  - pedrocr 8y ago
    The Model 3 doesn't have this "bioweapon defense mode".
fpgaminer 8y ago
Slight tangent: Can anyone recommend a decent air quality sensor in the sub-$100 range? I've been curious lately about measuring PM2.5, VOCs, etc. but haven't found a good option. The sensor in the article looks really nice (Twitter thread mentions https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Quality-Detector-Tester-Monitor/dp/B07DL1M46J https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Quality-Detector-Tester-Monit... as something similar. Twitter thread also links the exact product on Aliexpress, but I refuse to link Aliexpress here since that site is nearly malware). But the problem with that sensor and all the other sensors I've found thus far (HPMA115S0, SDS011) is I can't be sure how accurate at all they are. I'm not looking for scientific grade stuff here, but if the sensor is off by a factor of two, for example, it's a bit useless isn't it? Especially if I have no idea how far off it is. For example, I found this research paper: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322628807_Development_of_a_Calibration_Methodology_for_the_SDS011_Low-Cost_PM-Sensor_with_respect_to_Professional_Reference_Instrumentation https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322628807_Developme... If I'm reading it correctly they show that the SDS011 sensor is completely useless for PM10 measurements. For PM2.5 it can be off by a factor of 2 under certain conditions. They were able to come up with a calibration formula that makes it much more accurate (on PM2.5), but I have no way of knowing if their calibration formula is "universal" for the SDS011 or if the constants would vary from unit to unit. And all of those problems on a device that is marketed as being +-15% accurate. Being off by a factor of two is well beyond 15%... I haven't dug too deeply yet. Are there better sensors? The HPMA115S0 is brand name at least, but again I have no way of knowing for sure what its real error bounds are. Is there some way to calibrate these things at home without buying an expensive, more accurate sensor (thus defeating the purpose of the cheap sensor)? It seems a lot of hobby projects end up using these cheap sensor anyway, even if they could be completely wrong? Maybe I'm being too picky and an error of 100% isn't a huge deal?
- WestCoastJustin 8y ago
  There was a thread on HN around a week ago around just this topic. Well worth reading through it "Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25" for the comments on filters and sensors. [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18445652 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18445652
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- mistrial9 8y ago
  https://www.purpleair.com/sensors https://www.purpleair.com/sensors
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- bryanbuckley 8y ago
  "wynd halo" on kickstarter maybe? sub $100 + accurate seems a tall order, but maybe this latest one will be good.
- mafuyu 8y ago
  Thanks for those links- this is something I'm interested in as well. I'm working on a RasPi Zero hat that has a CCS811 for eCO2 and VOC, a BME280 for humidity, temp, and barometric pressure, and a header for a SDS011. I'm interested in indoor air quality, so just looking at PM2.5 trends over time would probably be enough for me. An error of 2x without calibration makes it useless for any sort of air quality index calculation, though. Maybe I'll include a header for the HPMA as well and compare the two.
  - fpgaminer 8y ago
    Nice project. Got any links to stay up-to-date on your build of the HAT? Plans to sell it? By the way, how accurate is the VOC measurement on the CCS811? I saw those sensors on Adafruit but haven't dug into them yet.
DoreenMichele 8y ago
"Bioweapon Defense Mode" sounds like a bad choice of name to me. It sounds like it is trying to intentionally be all B-grade movie dramatic. If they had named it something else, it probably would have been better received.
- dogma1138 8y ago
  Ludicrous mode.
  - DoreenMichele 8y ago
    "Asthma Attack Mode" "Rushing To The ER With A Respiratory Emergency Mode" "Just In Case You Visit Infamously Polluted Cities Mode" "Post Volcanic Eruption Ash Filtration Mode" I foresee it getting unofficially renamed: California Wildfire Mode
    - SideburnsOfDoom 8y ago
      "Rich enough to survive climate change" mode.
- rdl 8y ago
  Beijing Mode is probably what they really meant, but Bioweapon Defense Mode is less-bad.
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- zzo38computer 8y ago
  Maybe simply "defensive mode" might be reasonable (since it defends against stuff other than weapons); I don't really know
- sds011 8y ago
  How about a less fancy "heavy pollution mode"?
nprateem 8y ago
> Over the years, Tesla has developed a reputation for helping out when it is able. And calling other people who help out paedos...
decafbad 8y ago
You can't filter lack of oxygen.

64 points by Bud 8y ago

https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/tesla-mazda/ https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/tesla-mazda/ Apparently it may not perform noticeably better (other than in speed of filtration) than a 2010 Mazda 3 or, even more surprisingly, random Uber cars in Shanghai and Delhi. I'm unclear how accurate or widely applicable the results of this test are, however.

ryacko 8y ago
It’s just a high quality HEPA filter and a slight overpressure.

izacus 8y ago

All you need is to be able to afford a 100.000$ car, nothing else. Then you're fine even if you've destroyed the air quality.

berberous 8y ago
Not that it's still not expensive, but the cheapest model 3 is currently $46k, which they plan to reduce soon to $35k. Even the current model is effectively already $36k after tax incentives in some states, and the TCO is even lower if you factor in gas savings.
- pedrocr 8y ago
  The Model 3 doesn't have this "bioweapon defense mode".

fpgaminer 8y ago

Slight tangent: Can anyone recommend a decent air quality sensor in the sub-$100 range? I've been curious lately about measuring PM2.5, VOCs, etc. but haven't found a good option. The sensor in the article looks really nice (Twitter thread mentions https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Quality-Detector-Tester-Monitor/dp/B07DL1M46J https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Quality-Detector-Tester-Monit... as something similar. Twitter thread also links the exact product on Aliexpress, but I refuse to link Aliexpress here since that site is nearly malware). But the problem with that sensor and all the other sensors I've found thus far (HPMA115S0, SDS011) is I can't be sure how accurate at all they are. I'm not looking for scientific grade stuff here, but if the sensor is off by a factor of two, for example, it's a bit useless isn't it? Especially if I have no idea how far off it is. For example, I found this research paper: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322628807_Development_of_a_Calibration_Methodology_for_the_SDS011_Low-Cost_PM-Sensor_with_respect_to_Professional_Reference_Instrumentation https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322628807_Developme... If I'm reading it correctly they show that the SDS011 sensor is completely useless for PM10 measurements. For PM2.5 it can be off by a factor of 2 under certain conditions. They were able to come up with a calibration formula that makes it much more accurate (on PM2.5), but I have no way of knowing if their calibration formula is "universal" for the SDS011 or if the constants would vary from unit to unit. And all of those problems on a device that is marketed as being +-15% accurate. Being off by a factor of two is well beyond 15%... I haven't dug too deeply yet. Are there better sensors? The HPMA115S0 is brand name at least, but again I have no way of knowing for sure what its real error bounds are. Is there some way to calibrate these things at home without buying an expensive, more accurate sensor (thus defeating the purpose of the cheap sensor)? It seems a lot of hobby projects end up using these cheap sensor anyway, even if they could be completely wrong? Maybe I'm being too picky and an error of 100% isn't a huge deal?

WestCoastJustin 8y ago
There was a thread on HN around a week ago around just this topic. Well worth reading through it "Build a do-it-yourself home air purifier for about $25" for the comments on filters and sensors. [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18445652 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18445652
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mistrial9 8y ago
https://www.purpleair.com/sensors https://www.purpleair.com/sensors
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bryanbuckley 8y ago
"wynd halo" on kickstarter maybe? sub $100 + accurate seems a tall order, but maybe this latest one will be good.
mafuyu 8y ago
Thanks for those links- this is something I'm interested in as well. I'm working on a RasPi Zero hat that has a CCS811 for eCO2 and VOC, a BME280 for humidity, temp, and barometric pressure, and a header for a SDS011. I'm interested in indoor air quality, so just looking at PM2.5 trends over time would probably be enough for me. An error of 2x without calibration makes it useless for any sort of air quality index calculation, though. Maybe I'll include a header for the HPMA as well and compare the two.
- fpgaminer 8y ago
  Nice project. Got any links to stay up-to-date on your build of the HAT? Plans to sell it? By the way, how accurate is the VOC measurement on the CCS811? I saw those sensors on Adafruit but haven't dug into them yet.

DoreenMichele 8y ago

"Bioweapon Defense Mode" sounds like a bad choice of name to me. It sounds like it is trying to intentionally be all B-grade movie dramatic. If they had named it something else, it probably would have been better received.

dogma1138 8y ago
Ludicrous mode.
- DoreenMichele 8y ago
  "Asthma Attack Mode" "Rushing To The ER With A Respiratory Emergency Mode" "Just In Case You Visit Infamously Polluted Cities Mode" "Post Volcanic Eruption Ash Filtration Mode" I foresee it getting unofficially renamed: California Wildfire Mode
  - SideburnsOfDoom 8y ago
    "Rich enough to survive climate change" mode.
rdl 8y ago
Beijing Mode is probably what they really meant, but Bioweapon Defense Mode is less-bad.
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zzo38computer 8y ago
Maybe simply "defensive mode" might be reasonable (since it defends against stuff other than weapons); I don't really know
sds011 8y ago
How about a less fancy "heavy pollution mode"?

nprateem 8y ago

> Over the years, Tesla has developed a reputation for helping out when it is able. And calling other people who help out paedos...

decafbad 8y ago

You can't filter lack of oxygen.