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> waymo So how is your waymo car going? Does it drive well? Does it get good mpg? Is it that secure? Waymo is one of the worst offenders: https://www.cnet

> waymo So how is your waymo car going? Does it drive well? Does it get good mpg? Is it that secure? Waymo is one of the worst offenders: https://www.cnet.com/news/googles-sergey-brin-youll-ride-in-robot-cars-within-5-years/ https://www.cnet.com/news/googles-sergey-brin-youll-ride-in-... It was promised in 2012 to be completed in 2017... 2018 is ending and there is still no waymo anywhere besides on google's hands. While Google has been promising that didn't deliver, not even close, others have been actually delivering self-driving cars to the hands of real costumers and don't get any credit.

joshuamorton 8y ago
As far as I know, waymo has the only public beta of an autonomous vehicle, and it's been running for over a year. In other words, waymo has put sdcs nn the hands of a limited set of consumers, and right on schedule. Or do you think that sergeys comments imply autonomous vehicles for public purchase, because that isn't implied and in many cases doesn't make sense.
- bunnycorn 8y ago
  Everyone and their dog has autonomous vehicles. Meanwhile Google is trying to patent technology it's not theirs: https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/02/waymo-self-driving-lidar-patent-infringement-uber-velodyne/ https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/02/waymo-self-driving-lidar...
  - joshuamorton 8y ago
    You didn't actually address my specific comment: is anyone else publicly testing an SDC? Is waymo not doing that? That's what you originally claimed.
    - bunnycorn 8y ago
      Tesla isn't testing SDCs?
      - joshuamorton 8y ago
        There's a difference between L2 and L4/5 autonomy. Tesla have not shown themselves to be capable of jumping to the harder side of that. Waymo, cruise, Uber and Lyft all are, but of the 4, waymo certainly appears to be the most advanced. To be blunt, Tesla is doing glorified lane following, and everyone can do that. It's not going to turn left at the next traffic light anytime soon. The others will (or at least will try).
        bunnycorn 8y ago
        Yes, there is difference, but there is also a staggering difference between Google which doesn't have anything on the market, and Tesla that you can go out and buy one and drive it today.
        joshuamorton 8y ago
        I'm unclear what you mean by "on the market". Waymo is currently having people pay for an AV rideshare service that can drive you around, and where the clients don't sit in the drivers seat. Whereas Tesla is apparently out here shipping a vehicle that (according to reddit anyway)[1] has hardcoded "do not brake here" zones on the map and almost crashes as a result. Tesla's vehicles can't reliably drive on a freeway, much less on surface streets. Sure you can buy something, but its not an autonomous vehicle. Because as you rightly point out, you're still the one driving. [1]:https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/9y6zpb/another_close_call_with_autopilot_today_merging/ https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/9y6zpb/another...

joshuamorton 8y ago

As far as I know, waymo has the only public beta of an autonomous vehicle, and it's been running for over a year. In other words, waymo has put sdcs nn the hands of a limited set of consumers, and right on schedule. Or do you think that sergeys comments imply autonomous vehicles for public purchase, because that isn't implied and in many cases doesn't make sense.

bunnycorn 8y ago
Everyone and their dog has autonomous vehicles. Meanwhile Google is trying to patent technology it's not theirs: https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/02/waymo-self-driving-lidar-patent-infringement-uber-velodyne/ https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/02/waymo-self-driving-lidar...
- joshuamorton 8y ago
  You didn't actually address my specific comment: is anyone else publicly testing an SDC? Is waymo not doing that? That's what you originally claimed.
  - bunnycorn 8y ago
    Tesla isn't testing SDCs?
    - joshuamorton 8y ago
      There's a difference between L2 and L4/5 autonomy. Tesla have not shown themselves to be capable of jumping to the harder side of that. Waymo, cruise, Uber and Lyft all are, but of the 4, waymo certainly appears to be the most advanced. To be blunt, Tesla is doing glorified lane following, and everyone can do that. It's not going to turn left at the next traffic light anytime soon. The others will (or at least will try).
      - bunnycorn 8y ago
        Yes, there is difference, but there is also a staggering difference between Google which doesn't have anything on the market, and Tesla that you can go out and buy one and drive it today.
        joshuamorton 8y ago
        I'm unclear what you mean by "on the market". Waymo is currently having people pay for an AV rideshare service that can drive you around, and where the clients don't sit in the drivers seat. Whereas Tesla is apparently out here shipping a vehicle that (according to reddit anyway)[1] has hardcoded "do not brake here" zones on the map and almost crashes as a result. Tesla's vehicles can't reliably drive on a freeway, much less on surface streets. Sure you can buy something, but its not an autonomous vehicle. Because as you rightly point out, you're still the one driving. [1]:https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/9y6zpb/another_close_call_with_autopilot_today_merging/ https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/9y6zpb/another...