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Depends on your team and product needs. I don't think price is the main motivation to use cloud. Ease of use, vast resources to provision without any significa

Depends on your team and product needs. I don't think price is the main motivation to use cloud. Ease of use, vast resources to provision without any significant delay and pay for what you use are the main factors. If your infra is not mission critical and if you have deep pockets you can afford to be tied to a vendor. Otherwise - having skilled expertise and designing your architecture in vendor agnostic way is pretty much essential.

scarface74 8y ago
Of all the business risks you have, AWS or Azure going out of business is the least of them. Do you think that the executives at Netflix stay up at night worrying about AWS going out of business?
- navinsylvester 8y ago
  Its not about them going out of business - its the other way around. Its not just the pricing bump that can have an impact. All cloud providers have some sort of quota. Say if some quota cannot be increased by one provider and your business cannot thrive without it. What would you do?. We had one such case but in the end it worked out positively. We realized GCP had 100 service account limitation when we exhausted it. We have had our quotas bumped for many different things sometimes instantaneous or max in a day or two. We needed more than 100 service accounts but it seems GCP wasn't even designed to handle that request. After two weeks we got it approved but still we can't go to service account page on the console to see the accounts since its not designed to list that many. We have to use gcloud to view and to handle them. What if GCP said no?. There are players who aren't anyway big enough like netflix but still are powers users but without deep pockets.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    AWS has all sort of “soft limits” that you can email support about and they will increase it within 30 minutes. Out of the three major cloud providers, GCP is the worse when it comes to customer service and understanding the needs of an enterprise. Amazon will gladly let you spend all of the money you want to spend. In your specific case, not being able to view but a maximum amount on the website is normal that’s what the CLI/APIs are for.
petra 8y ago
Does using cloud that more expensive, as a share of revenue, in most businesses ?
- scarface74 8y ago
  Probably not, but I’ve seen two companies that were in AWS. The first company where I was the Dev lead and at the time didn’t know the first thing about AWS and neither did the infrastructure guys and we brought in consultants. Yes it was much more expensive. We didn’t reduce the number of people, didn’t increase automation from the netops side and we developed just like we did on prem. So yeah they should have stuck with the colo and from what I’ve heard, they kept my system on AWS but stopped there. On the other hand, I’ve worked for a company that started off on AWS from day one. They outsourced most of the netops to a Managed Service Provider, they have one person in house that manages some of the EC2 instances and does some other projects, and they used as many of the managed service offerings on AWS as they could. They were more concerned about focusing on their core business than worrying about the “undifferentiated heavy lifting”.
- navinsylvester 8y ago
  Yes. Cloud is way too expensive if pricing is the main criteria. I have seen many big companies move out of cloud and onto bare metal after realizing how much they could save. But all of them had the expertise to handle the migration and continue the ops with ease.

scarface74 8y ago

Of all the business risks you have, AWS or Azure going out of business is the least of them. Do you think that the executives at Netflix stay up at night worrying about AWS going out of business?

navinsylvester 8y ago
Its not about them going out of business - its the other way around. Its not just the pricing bump that can have an impact. All cloud providers have some sort of quota. Say if some quota cannot be increased by one provider and your business cannot thrive without it. What would you do?. We had one such case but in the end it worked out positively. We realized GCP had 100 service account limitation when we exhausted it. We have had our quotas bumped for many different things sometimes instantaneous or max in a day or two. We needed more than 100 service accounts but it seems GCP wasn't even designed to handle that request. After two weeks we got it approved but still we can't go to service account page on the console to see the accounts since its not designed to list that many. We have to use gcloud to view and to handle them. What if GCP said no?. There are players who aren't anyway big enough like netflix but still are powers users but without deep pockets.
- scarface74 8y ago
  AWS has all sort of “soft limits” that you can email support about and they will increase it within 30 minutes. Out of the three major cloud providers, GCP is the worse when it comes to customer service and understanding the needs of an enterprise. Amazon will gladly let you spend all of the money you want to spend. In your specific case, not being able to view but a maximum amount on the website is normal that’s what the CLI/APIs are for.

petra 8y ago

Does using cloud that more expensive, as a share of revenue, in most businesses ?

scarface74 8y ago
Probably not, but I’ve seen two companies that were in AWS. The first company where I was the Dev lead and at the time didn’t know the first thing about AWS and neither did the infrastructure guys and we brought in consultants. Yes it was much more expensive. We didn’t reduce the number of people, didn’t increase automation from the netops side and we developed just like we did on prem. So yeah they should have stuck with the colo and from what I’ve heard, they kept my system on AWS but stopped there. On the other hand, I’ve worked for a company that started off on AWS from day one. They outsourced most of the netops to a Managed Service Provider, they have one person in house that manages some of the EC2 instances and does some other projects, and they used as many of the managed service offerings on AWS as they could. They were more concerned about focusing on their core business than worrying about the “undifferentiated heavy lifting”.
navinsylvester 8y ago
Yes. Cloud is way too expensive if pricing is the main criteria. I have seen many big companies move out of cloud and onto bare metal after realizing how much they could save. But all of them had the expertise to handle the migration and continue the ops with ease.