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I'm a Python developer (web back) who occasionally does some fixes on legacy RoR project and I always ask myself why does Ruby needs so much sugar. Also it does

I'm a Python developer (web back) who occasionally does some fixes on legacy RoR project and I always ask myself why does Ruby needs so much sugar. Also it does not look very consistent to me, but it's probably because I get to practice only once in a couple of months. After Java, CPP and Node, Python looks to me as the greatest of all. Syntax is just comes to you and usually does not produce problems. And Python even right now has so many areas of application, and does it without much compromises, that I wonder why would I want to change anything.

rckclmbr 8y ago
I programmed in python for years, am starting to code in javascript/node and am really liking it. Typing in python is weird, i much prefer flow/typescript. Async in python has a history of being weird, from twisted, to yield from, and finally to async/await (which still has some issues, but is much better). I thought javascripts "callback hell" actually made sense, promises made it easier, and now async/await which works great. Pip has a long way to go to catch up to npm/yarn (i cant believe im saying that). Virtualenvs are weird, even though node_modules can be bloated i think its a lot more intuitive. Anyway, long winded answer that i think i prefer node after a lifetime of python
- BurningFrog 8y ago
  pipenv replaces pip and virtualenv, and is actually decent.
  - xkcd-sucks 8y ago
    Pipenv looks good on paper, but it is a total trap. Pipenv breaks differently on every single release. The user experience is absolutely hideous. I am currently in my third hour of getting a pipenv+pyenv python project running. I started the project this past summer, and have reinstalled it three times. Each time I have spent 3-6 hours getting pipenv working, and each time the errors/problems/workarounds are completely different!!!!!!
    - BurningFrog 8y ago
      All I know is it works well on our projects. I'm not the one doing any dirty work though...
- Rotareti 8y ago
  > Typing in python is weird, i much prefer flow/typescript. I find the exprience working with TypeScript and Python/Mypy very similiar. (in VSCode) > Async in python has a history of being weird, from twisted, to yield from, and finally to async/await (which still has some issues, but is much better). I thought javascripts "callback hell" actually made sense, promises made it easier, and now async/await which works great. Both ended up with async/await. I find async programming is similar annoying in both Python/JS. > Pip has a long way to go to catch up to npm/yarn I don't see a big difference working with pipenv/poetry compared to npm. Once your project structure is configured it boils down to `pipenv install`/`poetry add`/`npm install`. > Virtualenvs are weird, even though node_modules can be bloated i think its a lot more intuitive. Again, once configured I don't see a big difference (from a user's perspective). One system puts your packages into `npm-packages` the other puts them into `some-venv-dir`. I think npm works better out of the box, but you can configure your python dev enviornment very similar, if you want, without much effort. To me working in either TS/Python+Mypy feels pretty much the same.
eksemplar 8y ago
I’ve always loved django, and graphene isn’t half bad for GraphQl in python, but it’s getting harder and harder to deny how useful JavaScript is becoming compared to python. An Apollo/yoga graphql setup with node and prismsa is just really, really productive. There is also the advantage of sharing environment between front and backend, I mean, there are just so many hours, it’s hard to keep up with two major languages and their communities (two and a half if you’re using typescript).
BurningFrog 8y ago
Ruby has its problems. To me, mostly all the Magic. Since I'm a programmer and not a wizard, I struggle with magic... I mostly mean that almost anything can be redefined by some crazy Gem someone added to the project in some file far, far away. I truly love that in Python I can look at my import statements and know what code is happening in a file! But, man, it is tedious to so often have to use 5 clumsy lines for what Ruby could have said better in 2... Sure, Ruby is not "consistent" in that there are several ways to do things. And with more tools at your disposal, you can get many things done easier!

rckclmbr 8y ago

I programmed in python for years, am starting to code in javascript/node and am really liking it. Typing in python is weird, i much prefer flow/typescript. Async in python has a history of being weird, from twisted, to yield from, and finally to async/await (which still has some issues, but is much better). I thought javascripts "callback hell" actually made sense, promises made it easier, and now async/await which works great. Pip has a long way to go to catch up to npm/yarn (i cant believe im saying that). Virtualenvs are weird, even though node_modules can be bloated i think its a lot more intuitive. Anyway, long winded answer that i think i prefer node after a lifetime of python

BurningFrog 8y ago
pipenv replaces pip and virtualenv, and is actually decent.
- xkcd-sucks 8y ago
  Pipenv looks good on paper, but it is a total trap. Pipenv breaks differently on every single release. The user experience is absolutely hideous. I am currently in my third hour of getting a pipenv+pyenv python project running. I started the project this past summer, and have reinstalled it three times. Each time I have spent 3-6 hours getting pipenv working, and each time the errors/problems/workarounds are completely different!!!!!!
  - BurningFrog 8y ago
    All I know is it works well on our projects. I'm not the one doing any dirty work though...
Rotareti 8y ago
> Typing in python is weird, i much prefer flow/typescript. I find the exprience working with TypeScript and Python/Mypy very similiar. (in VSCode) > Async in python has a history of being weird, from twisted, to yield from, and finally to async/await (which still has some issues, but is much better). I thought javascripts "callback hell" actually made sense, promises made it easier, and now async/await which works great. Both ended up with async/await. I find async programming is similar annoying in both Python/JS. > Pip has a long way to go to catch up to npm/yarn I don't see a big difference working with pipenv/poetry compared to npm. Once your project structure is configured it boils down to `pipenv install`/`poetry add`/`npm install`. > Virtualenvs are weird, even though node_modules can be bloated i think its a lot more intuitive. Again, once configured I don't see a big difference (from a user's perspective). One system puts your packages into `npm-packages` the other puts them into `some-venv-dir`. I think npm works better out of the box, but you can configure your python dev enviornment very similar, if you want, without much effort. To me working in either TS/Python+Mypy feels pretty much the same.

eksemplar 8y ago

I’ve always loved django, and graphene isn’t half bad for GraphQl in python, but it’s getting harder and harder to deny how useful JavaScript is becoming compared to python. An Apollo/yoga graphql setup with node and prismsa is just really, really productive. There is also the advantage of sharing environment between front and backend, I mean, there are just so many hours, it’s hard to keep up with two major languages and their communities (two and a half if you’re using typescript).

BurningFrog 8y ago

Ruby has its problems. To me, mostly all the Magic. Since I'm a programmer and not a wizard, I struggle with magic... I mostly mean that almost anything can be redefined by some crazy Gem someone added to the project in some file far, far away. I truly love that in Python I can look at my import statements and know what code is happening in a file! But, man, it is tedious to so often have to use 5 clumsy lines for what Ruby could have said better in 2... Sure, Ruby is not "consistent" in that there are several ways to do things. And with more tools at your disposal, you can get many things done easier!